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I would love to see a good proof that it works, all the discussions, rumors and anecdotal evidence suggest the contrary. I am open to learn the truth, with hard numbers.

Very long waiting times are the first thing that comes to mind regarding such failures, with UK and Canada at the top spot. It is not uncommon to die waiting for a consultation to be diagnosed in 1-2 years.

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What do you wanna good proof of? Life expectancy? What population health metrics do you want?

Almost all EU countries with socialized healthcare beat US and even UK. Canada is more near EU level.

Do you also want US anedoctal evidence? What’s the consultation time for diagnose in the US for people without insurance/ insurance doesn’t cover/insurance says it doesn’t cover/no money?? Never? How does that affect the average/mean?

Life Expectancy:

Italy 83.7; Spain 83.7; France 83.3; Sweden 83.3; Canada 82.6; Portugal 82.4; Germany 81.4; United Kingdom 81.3; United States 79.3; Poland 78.6;

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/life-expectancy-unwpp?tab...

I don't think you'd see that kind of waiting times in Germany, for example (but Germnay also is at the high end of healthcare as %GDP).

Edit: I would also add that it is probably better to look at health outcomes, e.g., survival rates for cancer.

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