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> Being able to treat ADHD symptoms with just 20 minutes of headband use each day seems like something that’s too good to be true. But, so far, the company has reported good findings with those who have tested it

Okay but that still sounds too good to be true, where are the data and methods published, or is it all "trust us"? Because the website is all "trust us." And the only explanation of what it does is in a YouTube video which I can't be bothered to watch.

Right, "said to" is doing an awful lot of work here.

I had a look for studies but all I could find was this: https://www.isrctn.com/ISRCTN85247318

So, looks like a study was done, but the results not published.

I don't like how, when I click on the "The Science" button on Neurode's website, it takes me to a single 5-minute YouTube video with no description. Where's the research?! I'm not entirely skeptical, I've heard of stimulation like this being used for research or clinical treatment previously, but please just show me what you're founding your product on!

Also, their "Reviews" are just:

* One woman saying she doesn't want to take medication. Zero comment on the product * One man saying he doesn't want to take medication, and therefore wanted to participate in the clinical trial. Zero comment on the product * One woman saying she prefers the "approach" of the product versus medication

> with many even reporting no side effects or even feeling anything while using it

My general rule for medical treatments is that efficacy and side effects scale similarly.

I think this follows from the complexity of pretty much all medical conditions. If you have an effective (i.e. powerful) treatment for a complex condition, it's pretty likely that it's going to be effective (i.e. powerful) at doing things that aren't just treating your condition.

The people that want to sell me this say it's good. Their first customers say they like it.

Ok? I mean, everyone here knows how to hustle their first sales. Without actual data, this is less meaningful than even Theranos as far as I can tell.

This is little more than a marketing article. There is no evidence presented.

> the company has reported good findings with those who have tested it

Reported where? Define ”good”?

> with many even reporting no side effects or even feeling anything while using it

Ok, so what are the side effects for those who do experience them?

> Something else that Neurode’s headband does is monitor your brain, and then provide you with detailed information and real-time data to help you understand how your PFC is changing over time.

Um, how?

Large discussion from a bit ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41590529

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