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Which explains why its market value is hovering at $160 while its former worth, when it was properly managed, was $3-400. Am I spot on?

The problem is that every Fortune 500’s internal systems are hooked up to it.

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Atlassian? As a user, I haven't noticed any decline in quality; it's just as painful to use now as it was a decade ago.

It’s also probably 5x more expensive than a decade ago. As you said, still painful to use.

Maybe cheaper labour brings hidden expenses.

You can ask Boeing ;)

Joking, I do not think it is the case, BUT I do know that cheap is often more expensive

You can’t notice decline in quality when the quality is already so bad that any change feels like an improvement while still being bad.

> You can’t notice decline in quality when the quality is already so bad that any change feels like an improvement while still being bad.

In this case we don't have a decline in quality.

A decade ago, you could self-host though.

Nobody (important) wanted that, though. It was done only because the cloud wasn't available, the moment it became available every big company migrated.

Not true. I‘ve been at several companies that self host Jira. With the amount of critical data and processes in Jira, it can be comforting to have it on-prem with no one else being able to access the server.

Are you sure they're not just "preparing for the migration" and plan to stay on premise? I also worked at many places that had it on premise - all of them planned to migrate ASAP (where asap is sometimes years).

The rise of self-hosted GitLab and GHES suggests that's not true.

Migrated from self hosted Atlassian to cloud Atlassian.

Rise? I don't see anything other than migration to cloud.

I’ve never seen or worked with a company using the cloud version of any of their products. I worked at a place with one of the largest bitbucket installs in the world, so they weren’t little shops.

Self-hosting JIRA and Confluence was a double edged sword:

Done badly it meant you suffocated the application server with too little resources giving dreaded "super slow JIRA" effect.

Done well it meant you didn't have to deal with Atlassian underprovisioning resources in the cloud or having rigid maintenance times that didn't fit with your company needs.

This. Every single Atlassian product I have used has always been painfully slow garbage; and I have been forced to use them at various jobs over a decade.

I don't think it was ever a magically good Australian product that Indian hires from Microsoft suddenly ruined.

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