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React isn't big, it's about as small as a "framework" gets. The problem most people face is actually that the simplicity gives the developer unlimited freedom to craft whatever complex monstrosity they desire.

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You haven't used vue 2 or svelte then. Modern React is big and opinionated (just like Angular). When people talk about react they are not just talking about a state management library anymore

Vue and Svelte are just as complex as React, I'd argue Vue often ends up being even more complex than react even though the barrier to entry is a bit lower for novices. If you disagree, I encourage you to link to a mature project on github built with svelte or vue that you regard as an example of simplicity.

The problem is by the time it does everything you need it to do, it's a fat turd again.

Your point is like saying C is a lightweight language. It sure is, until you have layered everything else you need on top of it.

That's exactly what I said. React is so simple and flexibile that it leaves a lot of room for developers to shoot themselves in the foot. The C analogy is spot on.

But it is though.

Saying react is complex is much like saying C is complex because of OpenGL or SDL.

React isn't the ecosystem anymore than C is.

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