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Oh you sweet, sweet summer child... While it's possible that you're right, I don't think that's as clear as you make it out to be. A quick google didn't give me any concrete numbers, but at least for Urine, according to Wikpedia, " watersports (meaning urolagnia) was ranked ninth in popularity among sexual fetishes in the United Kingdom"[0], and " 1999 study of 164 males in Finland from two SM clubs found that 18.2% had engaged in coprophilia"[1] (of course, this number is for a sub-population that is more likely to try out kinks).

I don't have good numbers for birthing without any anesthesia either, but the Australian Institute of Health and Wealthfare claims that "In 2022, 4 in 5 (80%) women who had labour in Australia received pain relief"[2].

Giving birth is a "0-3 times in a lifetime" event, while sex is a much more high-frequency thing. I'm assuming even people who engage in these fetishes do that every time they have sex, but still many more times than they'd give birth.

So let's try to come up with some numbers: lets say we have 8 billion people on earth, and 1% of the adult population engages in watersports or scat, and they do so 10 times a year for 30 years of their life. That's 300 * 80M = 24B times someone eats shit / drinks piss in the next 30 years.

On the other hand, let's say we have ~4 billion women on earth, each gives an average of 2 children in the next 30 years, and 20% do that without pain relief. That's 4B * 2 * 0.2 = 2B births without pain relief in the next 30 years.

I don't think that what you're saying adds up.

Sources:

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urolagnia

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophilia

[2] https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/mothers-babies/australias-mo...

Australia is a wealthy country with a low birth rate. It is not representative of global non-anesthetic rates. The average woman globally is poorer (less likely to have pain relief) and more likely to be pregnant in her lifetime.

And just because someone “engages in watersports” doesn’t mean they know what urine or feces taste like.

And the question was about the number of people. You included statistics regarding the number of events. Going off your own numbers, 1% play water sports, 20% of women (10% of people) give birth without pain killers. Seems pretty clear to me.

The discussion is pointless and was meant as a jest, but

> And the question was about the number of people. You included statistics regarding the number of events.

The poster just said "more common". It's your interpretation that this was "a question about the number of people". But that's just one of many possible framings of the question. "The number of events" is an equally valid one.

> "In 2022, 4 in 5 (80%) women who had labour in Australia received pain relief"[2].

20% not having any pain relieve puts it into "fairly common" category. Yes it is a minority, but it is also rather large minority. It means that more then 20% of women who have children had at least one of them without pain relief.

Let it go man. Nobody cares

>oh you sweet summer child

Is the condescension really necessary? Also, the phrase is really overused at this point.

The presence of that phrase alone is enough to instantly downvote and flag any and every post on sight, even those that are otherwise neutral or even positive. It's usually intended as somewhat lighthearted, but it comes across as smug and pandering, and extremely condescending, like you said.

> The presence of that phrase alone is enough to instantly downvote and flag any and every post on sight, even those that are otherwise neutral or even positive

I feel you're severely overreacting. If everyone would act that way, this community would definitely be much a worse place. Kant's Imperative and all that.

I disagree firmly. The phrase embodies a sense of superiority and "knowing better" than those it's directed at which is directly contrary to the Guidelines of HN.

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