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I drive a Cybertruck as my daily driver and I don't even know about most of these.

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I smoke a pack a day and I haven't heard of lung cancer.

I play the lottery every day and I haven't won a dollar.

Etc etc

That's not equivalent.

You are describing likelihoods in time series, we are discussing the likelihoods of exceptional defects, period. Which is actually low.

I ate Boar's Head meat and I didn't get listeria

Etc etc

The temporal component doesn't matter at all, the point is that an individual's experience is pretty meaningless when trying to understand statistical phenomena. Which is why we invented statistics and do things like "collect data"

> I play the lottery every day and I haven't won a dollar

The chance of a consumer encountering any of those issues is equivalent to winning the lottery? We should all run and get a cybertruck! :-;

No, I'm describing the uselessness of people's individual experiences to describe statistical phenomena

But I don't see it a whole lot worse than a forum of users listing all the problem they without having any kind of statistic on exactly how frequent these issues are, per vehicle, per mile driven etc.

People who have problems with their cybertruck will go and post about it. Understandably, they are also frustrated, the posts sound angry, and then any journalist can repost/compile all those to make it sound like these are just dumpster fires on wheels. But just as in the lottery case, we never get to hear from every loser, only from the winners; here we don't get to hear from the "winners", only the "losers".

I mean they may well be dumpster fires on wheels but without solid statistics it's hard to be sure exactly so any kind of story can be made up about it.

Agreed! More objectively I’m pretttty sure Cybertruck has had an abnormal number of recalls since its introduction, but yeah: we need statistics to make any confident claims.

It's broken down by component, not vehicle, but NHTSA has actual data.

https://datahub.transportation.gov/Automobiles/NHTSA-Recalls...

I'm sure they do have sufficient data to answer this question, but it's not in what you linked and I'm not going to be diving in to do the analysis myself.

You're misusing what's otherwise a useful comparison

I... Don't know how. The wheel cover issue had a service bulletin sent out to owners, and the suspension being stuck in the lowest position got an over the air update with a big notification. Those at least should've been known to you.

The wheel cover issues were in Feb, I got mine a few months later and it didn't come with wheel covers. I did know about that one though.

The suspension stuck in lowest issue.. really doesn't ring a bell. Maybe it was before my time? Or I glossed over the update notes when I did get it.

The point I was trying to make is that this vehicle's issues are widely reported to a disproportionate degree due to how notable and polarizing it is, to the point that random Cybertruck anti-fans know more about its flaws than the average owner.

Mine isn't flawless either, the tonneau cover requires some finagling to close, which is kind of annoying. So I'm not going to sing Tesla's praises about their QA standards either.

Cybetruck owners are the car world’s vegans.

This is a thread about the Cybertruck.

that's right, they don't have owners, they identify as independent.

No, it’s a thread about car sales and cybertrucks position in that list.

Also, I’m sure we are all familiar with the value of anecdotal evidence vs data, the response of “I’m a ____ and I don’t _____” is limited at best and meaningless in the aggregate

The value of anecdotal reports that "I experienced ______ failure" is similarly limited at best and meaningless in the aggregate, but somehow they're taken as gospel.

… the more environmentally sound and morally coherent people?

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