"We Will Pass Those Tariff Costs Back to the Consumer," Says CEO of AutoZone
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The difference between a tariff and a tax is that a tariff can make the business rethink where it's sourcing is goods from and possibly change, the tax is just the tax.
The argument is that if the going rate for something is high enough, it makes sense to manufacture it locally. And of course local manufacturing has major knock-on benefits.
This logic falls down though when you bring the capital cost, and life-span of a factory into account.
I'm only building a factory if I expect prices to -remain high-. And tarifs are set (unilaterally) by the president without congress (which I why Trump likes them) but they can be removed just as quickly.
Interestingly the importer in the article was looking at alternate chains of supply, but "manufacturing in the US" wasn't one of his proposed solutions.
It also assumes that countries don't respond with tit-for-tat tarifs which harm factories already in the US. That certainly happened last time he used tarifs as a weapon.
This is not rocket science. It's not even economics. Its what anyone who has ever imported anything can figure out for themselves.
Right now I think everyone is in speculation mode. I think everyone has forgotten 2016-2020 Trump speaks in massive exaggerations and hyperbole. The reality of what happens is likely to be much different than all this anticipation. The fact is the only one making a profit off of all of this talk is the news outlets that everyone is consuming incessantly.
With NAFTA/NAFTA 2, it doesn't make sense to manufacture in the USA anyway when they have cheaper labor in Mexico. China knows this too.
There was an interview (in the Washington Post?) with a cattle rancher who wanted higher tariffs. This is because international competition forced him to sell at lower prices. The tariffs would increase international beef so he could then raise his prices (selling to his fellow Americans).
Of course in the interview the same rancher wanted Trump to lower inflation and reduce the prices on his inputs.
So inflation should be lower for him, but higher for his customers.
But they're often not, e.g. Biden kept many of the tariffs Trump imposed and even increased some of them.
> Interestingly the importer in the article was looking at alternate chains of supply, but "manufacturing in the US" wasn't one of his proposed solutions.
This is obviously going to depend on the nature of the industry, but even when it moves to other countries, this can still be of benefit to the US because then those countries develop an industry instead of US consumers relying on a single supplier country as a monopolist and single point of failure. That could even long-term reduce prices as those other countries then compete with each other once the tariffs allow them to develop their manufacturing base.
> It also assumes that countries don't respond with tit-for-tat tarifs which harm factories already in the US.
Tit-for-tat would require the country on the wrong end of the tariffs to be importing as much from the US as the US does from them.
It would also require that country to actually avoid buying US products. Maybe it's easier to move sneaker manufacturing to Vietnam than to replace high tech products from US companies.
It would also require that country to not already be disfavoring US imports, as might be implied from an imbalance of trade to begin with.
Most of the high-tech stuff isn't really subject to tarifs, mostly because none of it is manufactured in the US.
Yes Biden kept the tarifs, but didn't go on the news to announce it. He doesn't make it such a political football that others feel the need to politically respond.
The point is not that Biden did or did not. The point is that he (or any president in the next 20 years) could simply as a political win (ie reducing prices). Whether that is good or bad policy is irrelevant. Yhe point is whether I want to risk substantial capital on that.
Mexico is likely the big winner here. It has cheap labor and can't (easily) be tarrifed and likely would not be reverse tariffed.
The premise of a trade war is that you're negotiating with the other country. It's not that it has zero impact, it's that the impact on them is larger than the impact on you, so you have more leverage.
> Most of the high-tech stuff isn't really subject to tarifs, mostly because none of it is manufactured in the US.
Still implying that the other country can't use those things to retaliate even though the money is going to US companies.
> Yes Biden kept the tarifs, but didn't go on the news to announce it.
The premise was supposed to be that the tariffs would be unstable and companies wouldn't act, but companies looking at the past for guidance would now say that once the tariffs are there they stay for a while.
> The point is that he (or any president in the next 20 years) could simply as a political win (ie reducing prices). Whether that is good or bad policy is irrelevant. Yhe point is whether I want to risk substantial capital on that.
The alternative is that someone else does and you don't and then they can undercut you in the market because you're paying the tariffs and they don't.
Also, what's the alternative supposed to be? Even if the tariffs were put in place by Congress, every two years you have a new Congress and they could do something different, and the same with any other rules or regulations or taxes.
> Mexico is likely the big winner here. It has cheap labor and can't (easily) be tarrifed and likely would not be reverse tariffed.
Which is also good for the US, because it gains a second supplier for things currently only made in China, and Mexico is geographically closer to the US which saves on shipping forever once that manufacturing base is self-sustainable, and likewise provides geographically closer production of lower tech products which are the inputs to higher tech products and facilitate production of higher tech products in the US.
Things like hiring more people, research, development, capital improvements, etc all impact the companies tax bottom line. So in that sense, corporate taxes incentives companies to spend their money instead of hoarding it, using it for executive bonuses, or giving it back to the shareholders.
A vast majority of manufacturers don't source their materials from the US for good reason. Either the US is more expensive or the US supply is completely non-existant. Tariffs aren't going to fix that because domestic suppliers when given a monopoly are not going to magically lower costs and moving production here will take years and cost far more than just continuing to pay the tarrifs.
Tariffs are taxes.
But that's the point. They generate revenue for the government, allowing the government to lower other taxes with the result that people aren't actually paying anything more on net but you've created a penalty for goods imported from adversarial countries that domestic manufacturers can avoid.
This is a huge power grab by the Presidency. Extreme across-the-board tariffs that Trump is talking about are unprecedented in American politics, outside of wartime perhaps. We are in uncharted territory and it's nothing good imo. If massive tariffs are so great, get a bill through the House and Senate.
Also, just because tariffs generate a lot of revenue doesn't mean that's their purpose. Their purpose is to put pressure on specific countries or promote domestic manufacturing. The revenue is just what allows other taxes to be lowered to balance out the impact on US consumers.
You don't raise Walmart's corporate tax rate without Walmart raising prices and affecting everyone who shops there. At least with the tariff there is options.
Tariffs and deregulation will reinvigorate the domestic economy.
The Hoover dam was built in 5 years, 2 years after the idea was approved. Skyscrapers of the same era were built by men walking on I-beams, untethered, hundreds of feet in the air. We have become too risk averse to compete internationally.
Just the NEPA paperwork for a new project can take 5 years. For NEPA in particular, we pay employees at the state level to file the paperwork and employees at the federal level to review it. There is no way that is an efficient use of public funds. All it does is slow down our development and put the power of controlling development in each state in the hands of the feds. We are essentially paying twice to ask for permission to build the things we want to build.
Prices will go up.
Consumers will start to look for alternatives that don't carry the tariff.
That's what tariffs are designed to do.
But in any case, where there's an incentive, there's a way. Alternative inputs will be sought.
We can just keep looking back. Those concerned about whether appointed department heads will need to pass even basic checks? How about Bret Kavanaugh, whose accusations of sexual assault/rape were intercepted by the Trump White House & suppressed? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/08/trump-brett-...
There's nothing about what happens with these people that makes me think it deserves even the faintest whiff of credulity.
No, say it ain't so.