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Oh they still haven't figured this one out at knowyourmeme?

Demon Core meme came from KanColle(2013) communities in Futaba, and permeated to nicovideo.jp as well as to Twitter. That's why it is predominantly image based with few GIFs inbetween, why it is Demon Core and Demon Core only, and why there are few comical non-girl versions created years after inception.

I'd guess overlap between outspoken (ex-)Futaba users AND HN readers(hops_max=3) OR knowyourmeme users is exactly 1.0f, and this won't ever go on record anywhere unless someone say it somewhere, so here you go.

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> Demon Core meme came from KanColle(2013) communities in Futaba

Do you have some source for this being the origin? Could you cite some examples from prior to 2018 which is earliest date of other Japanese demon core memes cited by https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/demon-core ?

Oldest mention to Demon Core as local favorite I could find was timestamped 2016/12/05 23:51, but they don't keep formal logs and they really don't like things "brought outside", so I'm not going to link it.

Maybe there could be mht files in someone's basement somewhere, but I have no data to present at this instant, mostly just oral history. Sorry for that.

edit: oldest post tagged Demon Core on Pixiv dates back to 2016/01/17, so kym is verifiably off by years.

edit: there's a KanColle themed image post in Nico nico seiga dated 2017/06/18 featuring a "borrowed" Demon Core-chan 3D model, which meams the design existeed for some time.

edit: this blog post dated 2014/09/30 links to a deleted Touhou video with Demon Core in title: https://1ni.co/2014/09/30/project20140930_6/

I always figured that it was originally a Touhou meme because the right foot of the final boss, Utsuho Reiuji, from Touhou 11 (2008) is based on the Elephant's Foot from Chernobyl.

That came to mind for me too, but it's the sort of thing that always could be just a coincidence. Touching on nuclear fears is hardly unknown in Japanese media after all.

That's interesting, though I don't remember Demon Core meme to have come from Touhou. Touhou was nevertheless cultural upstream for lots of Japanese otaku community contents, as seen in Yukkuri, so it is believable if the general awareness of the incident came from there.

follow-up: a comment[0] in TFA claims 2011/04/03 article on Gigazine.net to be the origin, however that itself links to 2011/03/29 slashdot.jp diary entry[2] which is apparently written by translator for ja.wikipedia article[3] created at 2011/03/28[1]. These are also pre-memeization, but just articles for curiosity. There must be some point between 2011 and 2014 that it became a meme.

0: https://doomsdaymachines.net/p/the-meme-ification-of-the-dem...

1: hey, it's not nice thing to say, and I understand that writing for the Gigazine is not an easy job, but frankly,

2: https://web.archive.org/web/20110404124748/http://slashdot.j...

3: https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E3%83%87%E3%83%B...

>Oh they still haven't figured this one out at knowyourmeme?

Why not contribute your knowledge there, instead of (or in addition to) here, where it will surely be forgotten about?

Everyone doesn't have to know everything.

The Demon Core meme, for instance is getting pretty lamestream, no longer some shared affinity.

It's nice even mommyTok is doing it I guess, but we are one step away from a CNN story, then it's definitely over.

So for a brief moment make the most of the fact your smarter than "knowyourmeme"

"Everyone doesn't have to know everything" is a great sentiment.

I often think about https://xkcd.com/1053/ and how it's broadly misinterpreted: the point isn't that we should accelerate the education of everyone (at least on things of non-vital import), the point is that it's mutually fun to actually have the experience of sharing with a single person or a small community. And of course, as the XKCD says, it's important to do this freely and without judging the learner... but that freedom to share often exists precisely because the knowledge remains obscure.

If we don't like the commodification of the "inside joke" into a mere vehicle for advertising, as so much of culture in the age of algorithmic video feeds is becoming... then we need to let spaces and knowledge be obscure sometimes!

It's just too much work for me, and there aren't a lot of logs on the WWW, let alone in the English bubble where this meme only exist as filler repost materials.

The situation might change in 5-10 years, but as Prof. Oak said, "this isn't the time to do that"; I think it doesn't quite going to just work.

Can you elaborate? What's the context? I have no idea what those communities are.

The Crossroad trio was ~2015 addition to the game so it doesn't quite date back to 2013, but I doubt others enjoy inevitable wall of text for complete context at this time. I suspect it will take few more years until enough with Anglosphere background gains enough Japanese literacy to document this. For now I'd leave just pointers here.

Futaba Channel is a Japanese imageboard website originally born as a mirror backup for the textboard website 2ch (now 5ch). You may be aware of 4chan, which was directly based on Futaba and from which it took much of its culture.

Nico Nico Douga is a video hosting website that was created soon after YouTube's boom. It's famous for having user comments scrolling across videos and for being one of Japan's biggest meme factory from 2007 to 2012. Forcing users to login to watch videos, the push for premium accounts, and a rough transition from FLASH to HTML5 are considered some of main reasons of its decline.

>some of main reasons of its decline.

Also Youtube, and justifiably so for once.

NicoNico was simply obnoxious to use even in its heyday, while you could just open a Youtube vidja and watch. Once Youtube incorporated livestreaming and chat, it was over for NicoNico.

You're comparing a completely domestic webservice to a prime Google product. I do agree sentimentally but logically that's insane. I mean, ever given a thought to Twitch!?

You just reminded me that during the first years YouTube had only a flash video player. It took time until we got a functional html5 video player. Flash was everywhere back then. And before flash players, the only thing we had were the Real Player and QuickTime plugins for explorer and Netscape/Mozilla.

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