The Year of McDonald's
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On a Friday night at 2am, its full of people from all walks of life - from delivery workers taking a 5 minute break, to wedding party socialites looking for a quick food fix since everything else is closed - and they're all there for the exact same reason and are sitting next to each other without any tension or fanfare.
There really is a certain community magic to it.
Lovely writing here. I am fascinated by the idea that the porousness of any system is its lifeline or even possibly its great enabler.
There's a legend that during the Chinese revolution, extremely rural and difficult to travel to villages simply lied about their yearly rice yield, and thus were taxed less and avoided what would have sent them into the same starvation cycle as other areas, and this enabled the Maoist system to survive much longer than it would have otherwise. Similar stories from Stalist Russia, but the idea isn't limited to totalitarianism; as the story notes it applies to our paved-over modern American life as well.
Contrary to the article, I somewhat feel that our current world is far too porous: we lack virtually any structure; we feel adrift rather than locked up. A coffee meetup in a McDonalds is an attempt to build a community in a cultural ghost-town, not a rebellion against perfect order.
Even McDonald's is affected. It seemed a lot more joyful when I was younger and it was certainly more staffed. People are managing to create community out of a spaces that are getting more and more sterile, transactional, and minimalist.
I ask in earnest: when was it any different?
The famous (although not confirmed) story of American Airlines removing one olive from passengers' salads to save $40,000 per year is from 1987. At that time something like that was revolutionary.
As a consequence of being so young I couldn’t distinguish between Customs and a toll booth so they made me anxious too. And one day we were driving up to what looked like a huge toll booth or Customs stop and I was terribly anxious until we got close enough and it was this super weird McDonald’s. A gas station below, restaurant on top. It had such an impact on me that I spent the years after being hopeful any time I saw customs or tool booths that it was this fantastical McDonald’s.
Also I once went to a McDonald’s with model trains running along the top of the walls. That was super cool.
> When the town wouldn't allow the fast-food behemoth to build a new restaurant, they put one inside an 1850 home.
> The year was 1984. McDonald's was looking to build a location in the town of Freeport, Maine. There was only one problem: The Freeport building design restrictions were strict, and the town wanted the fast-food giant to maintain the area's aesthetic. In other words: No golden arches. McDonald's solution? Remodel an existing structure.
Pictures here: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/mcdonalds-freeport-mansi...
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/04/1028769806/one-mans-journey-t...
I'll bet! I wonder where this was/is.
I'll share a quick personal story of my relationship with the restaurant. About 15 years ago I was struggling to find any jobs after college, my bank account was bone dry, and I felt fat from my habit of eating too much fast food. I went to a McDonald's and got some 20-piece chicken mcnugget special (I think it was less than $5). I ate one piece and suddenly felt overwhelmed at all these thoughts and threw the rest of it out. I felt like I was at the bottom. I didn't eat at a McDonald's or any other fast food for another 5 years, lost a bunch of weight and got my career moving. On the rare occasion I go there anymore (usually because someone else wants to go), I feel like I'm eating bland nothing food and some deeper part of me feels sick.
Also recommended: “Franchise: The Golden Arches in Black America” http://www.marciachatelain.com/ (2021 Pulitzer Prize winner)
You see a lot of elderly people use McDonalds and similar as their morning meeting place. They sit and drink coffee for 5 hours and chat. You can’t do that at most restaurants without annoying the wait staff.
Great article, but McD's has mediocre coffee. I am no coffee classist; Starbucks also has bad coffee. Who has the best coffee? Dunkin Donuts.
When they did another taste-testing but the coffee came in McDs-branded cups instead, the ratings were bad.
"I find most convincing is that Mangione could be suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. I’ve met a lot of people like this in McDonald’s, because the franchise is often one of—if not the only—place in the “real world” where they can go, grab a cup out of the garbage can, sit at their corner table, and fit in, at least for an hour or two, without encountering too many dangers. It becomes, for many deeply troubled people, their only lifeline to normal society."
This is so offensive to anyone who is living with mental health challenges, and to anyone living in this late-stage capitalist society. Oh your questioning the status quo and killed a man responsible for one of the biggest death for profit schemes ever? You must be a crazy person who eats out of the garbage bn.
Didn't Kamala Harris also work at McDonalds https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/01/kamala-harris-on-working-at-...? Pretty sure Trump's stunt was because of that. But I guess it's fair to assume everyone who followed that story knows the context. Or perhaps the author is more sympathetic to one candidate and would rather not air unproven claims: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-mcdonalds-college/
Also Trump rode in a garbage truck around the same time. Was he one upping Harris? Or just trying to appeal to the working class? Probably the latter...
The person whispering in my ear said that a roast comedian at a trump rally told a joke where Puerto Rico was called an island of garbage. I wonder how many levels it had to go to become "[trumps] campaign calling Puerto Rico "garbage"".
I just meant that an article, claiming to go for a deep dive on how McDonald's is part of the new American zeitgeist, mentions one presidential candidate, and the CEO murderer, but doesn't mention the other presidential candidate.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/01/kamala-harris-on-working-at-... is just from a few months ago.
> “It was not a small job,” Harris told Ruhle. “There are people who work at McDonald’s in our country who are trying to...raise families and pay rent.”
Just seemed like an odd omission, that's all.
In recent years, she has become a figure of some controversy. Not for any real reason, but because we live in an era where things that are self-evidently true are denied by maniacs who are then flattered by cowards.
Also, this was in a piece from one of their columnists. Opinions are to be expected.
(https://www.thefp.com/p/things-worth-remembering-jk-rowling)
In retrospect, sadly, I think you're right. Snopes has it as "unproven" [1]. But it would explain the reason for a cosplay with that theme. That would be an interesting angle to discuss. Someone even bothered to photoshop Harris' face on an unrelated McDonald's employee picture from back in the day. But it was a fake! Was it one of her supporters, or a Trump supporter doing it. It ended up hurting her more than helping, in the end it seems.
> “So what are MAGA die-hards and faux-centrist Trump apologists talking about when they praise his drive-through stint as ‘amazing and hilarious’?”
The article seems to deliberately miss the whole parody part. That would make a juicy piece of cultural commentary, yet that part is missing. Sometimes, what is not talked about is a lot more interesting than what is talked about.
[1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-mcdonalds-college/
And it makes me wonder. I myself worked a blue collar job for a few years, I was in catering, and I worked - never in fast food but at a few chains.
But it was never something I had to do or something I was looking down the long barrel of. It certainly I think taught me something about what that life was like. But I can see why some people may interpret that as actually worse.
If you are traveling at any random place in the US, and you are in a hurry and want something you are familiar with, McDonalds is the most likely thing you will come across first. There is a huge cognitive anchoring this has.
I.e. they will let you open a Subway franchise today and me another one across the street tomorrow.
F.ex. Blimpie (MTY 2016), Jimmy Johns (Roark 2016), Firehouse Sub (RBI 2021), Subway (Roark 2023), Jersey Mike's (Blackstone 2024)
And not only in the US. McDonald's is big in some European countries like France. In small towns, McDonald's may be the only option available past a certain hour.
My relationship with the company has evolved though. When we were teenagers, we loved McDonald's. It was also not available everywhere and quite novel, so we would sometimes drive a long way with my mom just to go there. Nowadays, I'm much more concern about my health so it's really one of the last option I'd consider. It feels they have become dirtier than what they used to be though, but maybe that's subjective.
Boeing appeared quite financially healthy in summer 2018 as well.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/12/business/mcdonalds-self-serve...
McD's has been on a similar path, and have reintroduced $5 meal deals in an attempt to bring customers that have been priced out back.
> I can answer both questions. I’ve spent over a decade sitting in McDonald’s all over the United States—I believe I’ve visited over 500 franchises. Roughly half the conversations I had for my 2019 book Dignity took place in a McDonald’s—in fact, my working title was, Everything You Want to Know About America Can Be Learned in a McDonald’s, because I sincerely believe this.
That being said even kebabs are a luxury now. What used to be 3€ or 5€ with fries and drink is now 7/8€ alone, or 12€ in combo with fries or drink. Well, one more think I'll eat way less than before.
In NYC, I’ve scored insanely cheap deals—last week I got 10 chicken nuggets for $1. Right now, I’ve got a 50¢ double cheeseburger offer staring me down. I’d redeem it daily if it weren’t for health reasons (it says once a week, but for me, it’s somehow available every day).
And don’t sleep on the $6 meal deal: a McDouble, 4-piece chicken nuggets, small fries, and a small drink. For six bucks, that’s tough to beat!
I remember one pretty silly case where a coupon gave you cheeseburgers for less than hamburgers. The local McDonalds wouldn't let you order a hamburger at the cheeseburger price so you ordered a cheeseburger "hold the cheese."
Isn't it pretty obvious it's him? Is there any possibility he was framed or something.
McDonald's plays a big role because it also happens to be extremely popular and has many locations all over America. It's brand is an iconic and big as ever.
It also shows how America has a sort of love-hate relationship with fast-food. We know it's unhealthy and overpriced but we cannot stop eating it.
I’m not aware of evidence to the contrary, but then I wouldn’t be, because I’m not involved with the investigation or the trial. Neither is most anyone commenting publicly right now.
It’s alleged until it’s proven, and in the US that’s a formal process that concludes with a guilty plea or verdict.
The legal basis of this is a fear of libel lawsuits. But I think even when a libel lawsuit is extremely unlikely the practice is still followed - out of an abundance of caution, out of convention, or perhaps out of principle - that is, out of deference to the presumption of innocence on a fundamental level.
It's anything but obvious. What is obvious is that NYC law enforcement had tremendous pressure to apprehend and prosecute a suspect quickly, and that they had precisely nothing to go on before he was miraculously identified by a random person. You may also recall that there is no imagery of the assassin's face during the hit.
Of course someone who planned such a hit so carefully would keep carrying around the murder weapon for several days, across state lines, as well as a printed hardcopy of a manifesto establishing motive (he worked in IT). Very little of what the police have claimed thus far has made any logical sense.
https://fortune.com/2024/07/30/mcdonalds-gaza-boycott-israel...
Apparently it was so bad that global McDonalds bought back all the Israeli franchises.
Sales growth slowed a bit, but the boycott effort was a temporary scare to the business that didn't have significant impact on sales long term.
> the boycott effort was a temporary scare to the business that didn't have significant impact on sales long term.
Are you making stuff up on purpose? I've rarely seen such a poorly argued and fact free reply on hacker news.
1. "McDonald's stock is up 20% since Oct 7, 2023." Why start on October 7? The formal boycott calls only came in January (https://bdsmovement.net/Boycott-McDonalds) and why would a boycott start on October 7th anyways? McDonalds had nothing to do with the attack. Rather it was McDonald's that supported the Israeli invasion of Gaza after that attack. If you start from January 2024 there is no growth in MCD stock. Second, you need to compare to the market. It has dramatically underperformed the rest of the market which is in a boom. Thus it actually is like negative 20% compared to the market from that point onwards.
2. It was so bad that McDonalds acquired the Israeli franchises and it says in the articles it was because of sales misses: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/05/israel-boycott-mcdonalds-wil... It was a franchisee decision to support the IDF via McDonald's promotions, that likely won't happen any more.
3. "Sales growth slowed a bit... temporary scare to the business that didn't have significant impact on sales long term"? How did you get that? Sales growth is negative this year and continues, McDonald's says so themselves. Their global comparable sales (which looks at same stores, ignoring price increases) have actually been decreasing this past year, especially in International markets: https://corporate.mcdonalds.com/corpmcd/our-stories/article/... https://corporate.mcdonalds.com/corpmcd/our-stories/article/...