Microsoft won't support Office apps on Windows 10 after October 14th
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I cannot believe how slow and laggy even the most basic of Microsoft applications are on Windows 11. Launching something as simple as the calculator takes a second or two to load in. What could it possibly be doing to warrant such a long load time? The 'classic' calculator on previous versions would appear near instantly once clicked.
I am also baffled as to how something like the new right click context menu can have items loading in and then changing the order of icons once they do finish loading on every single click. For example, why does Skype need to have its menu item load every time the context menu is opened? Why not pre-load this on boot? The classic context menu had no such issues.
Rather than go on and on, I sense Product Owners at Microsoft no longer care about fast and performant code.
If in doubt, try making sense of the "Platforms" section https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/desktop/ and wondering if you would bet on those things being supported in 18 months time.
Edit to add: I'm sure other people can chip in with more, but what I was told was the .net teams and Windows teams pulled in completely different directions. WPF/XAML was really widely liked by many developers for quite a while, then they put it on ice for no apparent reason (supposedly because the core Windows team had better ideas), and their on/off stance on this ever since has just driven everyone away.
Currently, telemetry [1]. Soon, "AI" probably.
I actually copied the windows 7 calculator over to my main machine because of this. For me the calculator's killer feature is loading instantly.
These didn't happen under Windows 10.
Few weeks ago I also had my share of problems under Debian and I'm really thinking about getting the cheapest Mac Mini M4 and re-learning every possible computer habit I have including shortcuts because I hate the current status in any non-mac os/hardware so much.
Sorry for the rant but this has been too much.
You can get this feature on Linux if you use flatpaks or snaps on an older computer. I got used to bearing with it because it allows me to have a stable core OS combined with modern applications that have been released today. It's a price I'm willing to pay. Nevertheless, I don't know how slow it is on a more modern machine, I guess it is probably quite fast.
Also, gnome-calculator is not an application I would install through a flatpak or snap.
Anytime I need to start up the Windows machine, there are a million things popping up, updating, Windows update notifications, etc... and no I don't have any viruses. Just good ol' first party malware from Microsoft.
When I have to do something on Windows I use someone elses Win computer if possible.
I thought Microsoft 365 was the online cloud stuff. They just released Office 2024, didn't they?
So is Microsoft 365 the whole suite, and Office 2024 is the umbrella term for the offline Microsoft 365 apps?
Microsoft Pro and Pro Max are the new bundle options.
My work can afford to do things the Windows way. If I need an expensive tool like Visio, I tell them I need it and it (and the licence for it) appears. Some of our refresh laptops are on Windows 11, I'm still on Windows 10. Some annoyances creep through, e.g. every time you open an Edge window you're presented with a screen full of distracting stuff, even in the work installation.
For home, free tools on Linux are more than adequate. Google Docs, or LibreOffice. For creating things, no problem. No need to perfectly parse two decades' worth of slightly malformed Microsoft Office documents. In fact, the token Windows machine has only been booted up for the following tasks in the past 12 months: Update the maps on an "LM" version Garmin car GPS, and do income taxes.
The stuff Microsoft is doing to their desktop environment looks like a lot like a private equity outfit trying to milk the last bit of "brand value" out of a company that it's pillaging by cutting engineering, switching to cheaper manufacturing but still enjoying "premium brand" cachet for a while.
Switching to a web based tool like freetaxusa.com means my last two links to Windows are online games with anti-cheat and iTunes backups.
Microsoft has been failing on the gaming front, trying to make their buggy "current gen" OS relevant by force, and is losing ground to other online competitors (i.e. Google docs). Azure is still growing, albeit slower than their top competitors. Bing has actually been doing good thanks in part to ChatGPT, but even there they still resort to bizarre tactics, like pretending to look like Google. [0]
I would love to hear from others truly in the know, but it looks at times like the company is less an organism and more a writhing mass of creatures in a thin, shared skin trying to make it appear as one.
[0] https://www.howtogeek.com/bing-stopped-pretending-to-be-goog...
This is pretty accurate. A bunch of disjointed orgs who get sometimes seemingly random direction from the overlord. The random direction isn't really random, it's whatever move the overlord believes investors will respond to.
Copilot is a great example - shoved ungracefully into every product with the effect of making basic tasks more difficult. But hey - early movement on LLMs makes the stock go up.
Office and Windows have been a decreasing proportion of Microsoft’s revenue for years. The real money is coming from cloud services in its many forms. Microsoft may not be #1, but they are clearly in a strong position with good growth. Specifically Microsoft is great at onboarding mid sized businesses onto Azure/Teams and then building a big enough moat to keep churn low.
Look at their growth numbers and you’ll see their business is in a strong position. Their cloud position is entrenched. Windows, Office, and Bing are all just bells and whistles to attract people to their real offerings (Teams, Azure, other subscriptions)
I don't see who will pay for Azure without using Windows and Office.
Sony and Nintendo have been eating their lunch. Even the Game Pass is struggling on PC. Steam makes the Xbox app look like a joke.
Either way, 80% of the people don't even need 365 desktop apps, unless they're heavy into word/excel. Most would survive with those and/or libreoffice, the only issue is that sometimes things get buggy or icons look different and because of user training, we still recommend 365 premium. With that said, I have been working for 3rd year like that on linux with very few issues. Now that Outlook users will be forced into the crappier web version, very few use access and it is just about word, excel and powerpoint, it makes even less sense to pay for the desktop apps.
Also just realized I use LibreOffice anyways (or something similar) so I suppose this does not even apply to me
Is there any real competitor to Office 365? I know my current employer would never switch as we need an on-premise email server and that basically means Exchange.
Also, we can blame Microsoft for a lot of things, but I’m pretty sure if Office and Outlook didn’t exist people would find another way to spread ransomware …
macOS isn’t great these days either, it’s been downhill since somewhere around 10.13 I’d say. The last truly great release, imo, was 10.9.
There unfortunately isn’t a great OS answer if you just want a “regular computer,” from Apple or MS.
Every source I look at shows 10 ahead of 11 still.
October 2024: "At the end of September 2024, Windows 10 had a 62.79 percent market share and Windows 11 accounted for 33.37 percent." https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/01/windows_11_market_sha...
November 2024: "Windows 11 market share grows, but Windows 10 still twice as popular" https://www.pcworld.com/article/2508289/windows-11-market-sh...
November 2024: "Windows 11 reaches 35% market share, but Windows 10 still leads by a wide margin" https://www.techspot.com/news/105408-windows-11-market-share...
December 2024: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/d...
Etc...
Steam's statistics (https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/), for example, are pulled straight from their app, and are updated every month. According to that Win 11 is at 55% vs Win 10's 42%.
What? The Register, PC World, and Tech Spot aren't "real sources"?
>Steam's statistics
Show the percentage of market share for people who game. Not total market share.
Habits of gamers are very different than corporate. Gamers are a relatively small percentage of all Windows installs. There are millions and millions of machines in corporate, institutional, and government sectors that run Windows but don't run Steam.
>And the statcounter page gives zero info on what source they used.
That is answered in the very first question of the FAQ which is linked at the top of every page: https://gs.statcounter.com/faq#methodology
>In other words we calculate our Global Stats on the basis of more than 5 billion page views per month, by people from all over the world onto our 1.5 million+ member sites.
Those website stats also include home users, people with Steam, etc. It's a way bigger sample across all sectors, including the sector that Steam measures.
However, Steam stats only measure windows installations of people who play Steam games (i.e. not corporate and certainly not government computers, and probably missing a large chunk of home installs). That is a much less representative sample of windows installations.
That's flat out not ok, end of conversation. This is not the 90s where a computer was obsolete in 6 months anymore.
Apple also deprecates hardware with new OS versions, but they don't do it to millions simultaneously. Additionally, they don't turn their entire previous OS into nagware about upgrading every time they release a new version.
So, less than 4 years of support for those machines.
I don't think they will actually crash on Win10 on purpose; this likely just means they won't be running automated tests on Win10 at some point (though probably not now considering companies can keep paying big bucks for back-compat support).
Since then I have blocked windows update related on DNS/Router and on device firewall.
Security? It’s just a fancy game console.
This is the last private and secure way to use MS products. When that is gone, we’ll be stuck using fake f/oss wannabe-Excel.
After a few weeks without connection it just refuses to work only allowing read mode.
It's annoying. A lot of features (video cropping, changing slide master title, ...) do not work in the online version. I literally had to ask a colleague to edit the slidemaster title for me.
Also, it's quite slow in loading pictures, videos.
If you don’t care about quality and aren’t an Office power user, they’re fine.
“Your car will no longer run on standard 87 octane gasoline after October 14 due to a software update”
Apple for example supports an OS release for just 3 years after launch.
It has been decades, their software should be mostly by now super audited and stable assembly code.
The guilt is 100% them.
This is unrelated to backward compat.