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Re: Nazi propaganda and security

Without any regard for the security issues, the conflict would be simple. That's not very helpful. Deserved or not, suicide bombings and missiles are real security issues.

Re: granting all Palestinians Citizenship

If the argument is that this would be a good idea, of course it would, as long as it were under a reasonably pluralistic system. It would be fantastic to see a single Israeli/Palestinian state with a slight arab majority, but everyone with their voice represented, all living in peace and harmony.

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> Without any regard for the security issues, the conflict would be simple. That's not very helpful. Deserved or not, suicide bombings and missiles are real security issues.

Recency bias. Post 67, many a non-violent Palestinian demonstrations were met with Israeli violence [0]. And this has since kept escalating with each round. You'd think a peoples so utterly out-gunned would lay low, but they somehow aren't. There's something else that's fanning the flames, keeping the hatred going. Potentially, by whatever/whoever stands to benefit from the conflict, either financially (hi-tech [1]) or politically (Revisionists/Hamasniks/PA).

> the argument is that this would be a good idea

The argument is that, that ship has sailed, and so other than 2SS (67 borders), any other enclave-like arrangement (ex: Oslo) will not bring peace (instead lead to Goebbels-esque narratives & Fascist-esque behaviour). Though, 67 borders sounds like a recipe for a civil war.

[0] https://x.com/idanlandau/status/1876619129924514076 / https://archive.vn/Akaym

[1] https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/581m21wyg / https://archive.vn/GXYG7

>You'd think a peoples so utterly out-gunned would lay low, but they somehow aren't. There's something else that's fanning the flames, keeping the hatred going.

Never underestimate Culture, Religion and Nationhood as motivators - the West has a coloured history of martyring itself in the pursuit of all three in the 21st Century.

In this case they have a clear picture of their future; imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. In that context its easily understood.

Funny thing that the people that got citizenship to the place they were born and their basic human rights recognized by the government running them weren't subject to those motivations from "Culture, Religion and Nationhood".

> It would be fantastic to see a single Israeli/Palestinian state with a slight arab majority, but everyone with their voice represented, all living in peace and harmony.

Single state is a construct of few people with far-left views. They already tried something like that in USSR where they put for example Armenians and Azerbaijanians in the same state (and many other smaller examples within USSR). Look what happened.

I don't see even a single chance this will ever work, also it has zero support on the ground by both sides.

I debated adding a '/s' sarcasm tag when I wrote that sentence, but decided against because, if it were actually possible, it would be fantastic.

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