Because normal people don't hate or care about Elon.
TDS should not be tolerated in polite society.
TDS should not be tolerated in polite society.
Hatred of Elon so intense it impairs peoples judgement. This is exactly that.
Calling people that you disagree with deranged or impaired is hardly "leaving personalities out of it". Rhetorical games like that are not helpful or beneficial to the discussion.
tim cook is an active, public homosexual. would it make sense to call this "SpaceX getting into bed with the gays"?
the property "associated to the concept of jew-murder" doesn't automatically make judging a technical company by the alleged beliefs of its operator sensical.
once again, if someone were to state some ground for dislike of gay folks (e.g. calling it a cognitihazard) it would still not make sense to criticize the company they belong to, nor companies that associate with theirs when the subject is an unrelated technical feat.
- tim cook is gay, and we're talking about Apple
- it nicely politically parallels criticizing association with SpaceX based on the alleged proclivities of Elon Musk
but the post could just as easily have been about his favorite shirt color, to reduced rhetorical but identical logical effect.
your stance only makes sense if you think "SpaceX is getting into bed with the gays" /isn't/ a ridiculous thing to say, and is acceptable because being gay is good and being a nazi isn't.
you literally just replied to a post saying the the gay / alleged nazi dynamic wasn't critical to the point with... a moral assessment of being homosexual vs. a "proto-fascist, mid-life-crisis having weirdo".
what are /you/ even on about?
You said: the property "associated to the concept of jew-murder" doesn't automatically make judging a technical company by the alleged beliefs of its operator sensical.
This is where we disagree. The key part of the statement “technical company” isn’t “technical”. It’s “company”.
The reason the mods (cross fingers) haven’t shut this discussion down is because HN isn’t just a tech forum, it’s also a business forum.
From a business perspective, it’s completely fair to criticize the political viewpoint and even national allegiance of another business. And it’s fair to question if Apple is squandering its goodwill by associating with bad actors. Technical competency is irrelevant if people are reluctant to buy your products or others are reluctant to integrate with you due to your political beliefs.
That’s why it’s often recommended that business leaders do not speak outside their area of expertise and if they have to give a political opinion then they should align with the majority and the governments stance (which arguably Musk is doing).
The pictures and video I saw of Elon in the news look nothing like the salutes in documentaries, TV shows, and movies. I did see one picture of Kamala making the same gesture as Elon though.
There's a mind-virus infecting people. It reminds me of when the front page of reddit was about Trump pooping his pants which didn't happen, but...
people want to believe what they want to believe.
I don't care what "side" of politics people are on, I hate it when either side doesn't act in good faith.
(The front page of reddit is constantly politics now, it's no longer interesting, so I no longer waste my time there.)
A picture lacks context. And if that is the one which I think it is, it is clearly an utterly different gesture due to the context. Misrepresenting that is not acting in good faith.
He often does not look normal.
He gave a nazi salute to the USA flag. He saluted once to the crowd, then turned around and saluted to the flag. Sadly many people have not seen the full video.
Nor does he talk "normally", so that's why I don't put much faith in the assumption that he was thinking that he was doing a Nazi salute.
Instead he'll wait till someone else like Marjorie Taylor Greene posts something like "jewish space lasers are responsible for California fires" and he'll retweet "close".
He does this so often, it's like he wants to be technically innocent of wrongdoing, but he's associating with all the bad actors.
Now I would love to see him fulfill his dream of being a Martian pioneer - as long as he doesn't return to earth. In my view, he is an embarrassment to the tech community and the United States. His childish and petty behavior has no place in a civil society.
Nazism should not be tolerated in polite society.