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This post is a rant of a fanboy which is why I downvoted it. It's one thing to prove your point but you didn't even do that. The BGR report is garbage as is most of their posts that doesn't involve Gellar's connections at RIM.

No one is claiming the idea of button-free phone; not even Apple. What you mention as the UI/UX experience is what Apple is mostly suing for. I don't claim for it to be right or wrong.

What defined the iPhone was not the hardware but software and that is what Apple is going after. Samsung is suing over FRAND patents which is something else entirely. Apple's not suing over Samsung over what they asked them to build.

This patent nonsense that exists on HN has really got to stop. It has affected very few except the claims by Lodsys. Do you really care about the brinksmanship that is conducted by two giants?

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>What you mention as the UI/UX experience is what Apple is mostly suing for.

Oh..Really? Then why are they suing the rest of the OEM's whose UI/UX is not even remotely similar?

Before you make a point, its good to educate yourself with the topic, atleast to an average extent. Just my 2 cents.

And btw, your name certainly looks interesting =)

You're not mad that Apple is suing. You're mad that Apple is winning some arguments.

What they've been winning is off of UI/UX. It's one thing to argue if software patents should even exist but you were not even arguing that. It's hard to tell what you're against other than Apple. You believe that Samsung is right for no apparent reason.

All I can tell you is that I don't care and I'm tired of these stories on HN being ranked so highly since it's about ideology and not how it affects the lives of anyone.

>And btw, your name certainly looks interesting =)

I thought it was appropriate. What is your point?

Why are you so angry?

Apple fanboi?

Exactly.

I have learned to basically ignore technoslut's comments.

Just look at his previous comments. He's been a staunch defender of Apple.

I'm not defending Apple in this situation. I don't care about this patent nonsense. It has replaced chess as the game of kings.

If you looked at my comments recently I question the motives behind Apple bloggers I read. I've criticized Apple for the money they keep offshore to avoid US taxes. I've even been criticized for saying that open source was the solution for Maps and no one company should have control over that future.

What you want me to say is that I agree with one philosophy. I don't.

Because it is annoying when someone who is clearly clueless questions your intelligence.

Neya is the equivalent of Fox News.

I love HN since you arrived. I stumble upon some comment dripping with uninformed ridiculousness about Apple and nine times out of ten whatever I was about to say in my reply has already been said by you but better.

>uninformed ridiculousness about Apple

Justify and the whole world shall agree. Right now to us, you just look like just another fanboy.

Accusing someone as clueless doesn't make you look intelligent. If you don't give a valid reason, then your accusations are invalid. I have justified my point, (read above). You need to justify yours.

>Neya is the equivalent of Fox News.

I think you're crossing a line here. I know you're too insignificant to be given any importance, but then, do mind your tone. And stop following me, please!

And looking at some of your comments, you have a very good history of getting pwned I guess. Please stop embarrassing yourself =)

I'm angry about all of these stories making it to the HN front page whether it favors Apple or not. There are other stories that are more newsworthy. This has been going on for two years and has affected the lives of no one. It is only meant to push whatever cause you believe.

I thought my reply to whom I originally commented to stated this. I don't come to this site looking for stories that is only to incite a rooting interest. I come here for things that matter to everyone even though the bias is towards technology.

No, they've been winning on patents on round rectangles and lack of bezels.

Those are design patents which are more like a copyright of a physical item. For example, the design of a Coca-Cola bottle was originally protected under a design patent.

Yes it's a weird name. They're also easy to identify because the registrations all begin with the letter D.

"Do you really care about the brinksmanship that is conducted by two giants?"

Yes I do. Samsung is disabling useful features on my phone because of it. This might also affect my ability to purchase the phone I want.

“Samsung is disabling useful features on my phone”

If you like those features, Apple has a phone with your name on it :)

Which is devoid of many of the other features that I want, which are available on android phones.

Blame the game not the player.

Campaign against the patent system. Don't expect public companies not to use the rules as they exist to their best interest. I don't even see anything unethical in wanting to keep some exclusive features (although 20 years seems too long).

I do also think that Samsung probably did cross the line between taking inspiration and wholesale copying and attempting to look like Apple.

Companies have short-term and long-term interests. There's plenty of sense in trying to convince a company that their pursuit of their short-term best interest is at odds with their long-run interests.

Separately, I'll note that "blame the game, not the player" rings particularly hollow when the players have plenty of influence on the people who write the rules.

Yes there are long and short term interests but maximization of current smartphone/tablet market share is likely to have a long term beneficial impact as people get locked into the eco-system. I don't see a persuasive argument that making life expensive for Android isn't a good play, and that there shouldn't be a wish to different either. They also need to draw a line (with some help from the courts about where imitation stops being flattery and becomes infringement.

Fair point on influence of the rules although I don't recall any of the tech giants opposing software patents or patent exclusivity. That certainly includes Google. If you can point me to a smartphone manufacturer that opposes software patents or design patents (registered designs in the UK) I would be very interested although I doubt I'll actually become their customer as I'm already locked into an eco-system!

"I do also think that Samsung probably did cross the line between taking inspiration and wholesale copying and attempting to look like Apple."

Most people point at the physical design of Samsung phones to make this point, but in all seriousness Samsung just plain didn't copy the iPhones design. Take a look at these two products Samsung made, both of which predate the iPhone and both of which show the exact design language that Samsung has used on the Galaxy * products:

http://imgur.com/a/divSu#0

http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/09/samsung-digital-picture-f...

Not somewhat similar to the design language, exactly the same. From the rounded corners, to the bezel, to the single button on the bottom of the device. This was Samsung's design language before the iPhone ever existed.

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