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Anyone else read the article and say Oracle JET? What is that?

The npm package for Oracle JET, with ~1000 weekly downloads, has four dependent packages on npm, and if you walk down the dependency tree it’s nearly entirely other Oracle packages or long dead demos/one-shots.

That 1,000 weekly downloads could be entirely from CI pipelines for those other Oracle projects.

The phone call is coming from inside the house, Larry!

They do have more users than that, but from memory they typically distribute it in some other interesting way - i think there's a CLI that installs and manages it.

First time I'd ever heard of it too; I ran straight to Google and it only came up with results for "Breville Oracle Jet Espresso Machine" which interestingly enough Breville seem to hold a trademark on "Oracle" itself in the machines and tools class!

https://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jet/jetCookbook...

This is really neat, thanks. Their linked Visual Builder Cookbook (https://vbcookbook.oracle.com) also is a nice way to internally communicate design patterns.

I've always sat there wondering if my Breville expresso machine is running Breville JavaScript(c) inside it.

Oooh, can we convince Breville to sue Oracle for any software they make that is described as a "tool"?

How about the Oracle Java Virtual Machine.

It is literally for the best if you don't find out, to not legitimize this ridiculous argument they're making that JavaScript hasn't genericized.

But because you'll be too curious to resist now, from what I can tell it's a preact bootstrapping script with 500 weekly downloads on NPM.

it's Oracle's UI library that they encourage their official partners to use. I've had the misfortune of doing some consulting for a company that used it, it's actually very fully featured but the internals are totally insane and very dated.

Yea their CLI has 510 Weekly Downloads on npm and JET itself nearly 1000.

https://www.npmjs.com/package/@oracle/ojet-cli https://www.npmjs.com/package/@oracle/oraclejet

In the Node world that's basically a side project of a single dev.

A date picker widget I tossed on NPM 13 years ago gets 32,000 downloads per week. 510 a week is background activity, that's indexing bots or one org's CI system.

I totally agree. I thought about adding a paragraph about how it seems like even oracle themself doesn’t use it on production (cause otherwise it’d have probably more downloads due to developers, CI, you name it) but it is possible they use a internal npm proxy with a cache. Anyway it’s laughable that this package is the reason they base their argument on.

It's their JS UI components library. Gets used in oracle apps. Very comprehensive in terms of covering all you need. Another comment opines on its technical soundness.

They did several wrong decisions, first they started building it with old libraries, e.g. JQuery, KnockoutJS, then they they should have opened their no code builder to the public. They are now in the process of porting it to Preact and opened VBCS, but it’s too late. From UI point of view, it is the most complete library

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