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No, the second hop is Cloudflare.

Actually, Fastly and Akamai also provide exits. Cloudflare isn't the only provider.

So, two US companies subject to US laws, the FISA court, and government-ordered secret surveillance.

That wasn't the question, though.

The answer is yes - this is the same concept as Apple's Private Relay.

No, it isn't similar to Private Relay as its entire premise for 2 hop (versus 3 for Tor) hinges on anonymous authorization (via Privacy Pass) at the exit node.

But isn't that apple id + privacy relay as well.

I think you have misread things. They aren't comparing private relay with tor but rather with obscura for which the answer is a yes

> But isn't that apple id + privacy relay as well

For authentication? Yes.

Private Relay has Tor-like guarantees (with 2 hops) baked into the protocol, as it uses anonymous authorization tokens (which can't be tied to Apple IDs they represent) at exit node.

https://www.apple.com/privacy/docs/iCloud_Private_Relay_Over...

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