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> We do not use your Workspace data to train or improve the underlying generative AI and large language models that power Gemini, Search, and other systems outside of Workspace without permission.

https://support.google.com/meet/answer/14615114?hl=en#:~:tex...

You may not believe them, but I challenge your description of it as "openly".

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What constitutes permission? Did we all give full permission (in Google's opinion) without knowing it in the dozens and dozens of pages of Eula and deluge of privacy policy changes? The other comments are valid but irrelevant if Google thinks (rightly or wrongly) that "by using this product you give permission to xyz".

I'm reminded of when Microsoft said you didn't actually buy the Xbox even though you thought you did and they won in court to prevent people from changing or even repairing their own (well, Microsoft's I guess, even though the person paid for it and thought they bought it) machine.

Exactly this. In the pages and pages of terms and conditions, this will likely be covered, plus a lot of these services are opt-out. By not unticking "train on my workspace data" hidden several matrix layers deep, you are probably giving permission by default.

Isn't that implying that they do train on Workspace data, but the results of the training won't be applied outside of the Workspace?

It is an awful sentence, but I'm reading it as:

> We do not use your Workspace data to train or improve the underlying generative AI and large language models [...] outside of Workspace [...].

Which to me makes it sound like if the answer is in your Workspace, and you ask an LLM in your Workspace, it would be able to tell you the answer.

Yeah, "Workspace data." If you don't think a scientist has copies of all his/her stuff in a personal Google account you've never met a scientist.

The second half of the sentence is a bit awkward, but the first bit is pretty clear: “We do not use your Workspace data”

Isn't it saying that it might be trained on Workspace data, but that the results of that training will only be used within the same Workspace?

It's not being used to train the underlying generative AI.

Doesn't it only say it won't be trained for generative AI that works outside of the Workspace?

> We do not use your Workspace data to train or improve the underlying generative AI and large language models that power Gemini, Search, and other systems outside of Workspace

I.e., they could use it to train an LLM specific to your Workspace, but that training data wouldn't be used outside of the Workspace, for the general generative products.

But a personal account is not Workspace, as Google Workspace is a B2B product, right?

Does it not say "without permission"?

Was signing up for a workspace account and signing a EULA permission? Is permission given in an implicitly signed document like a privacy policy?

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