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Framework Laptop 12

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I'm happy to see Framework going after different laptop/PC segments and trying to break the long cycle of terrible products/cash-grab from all the big manufacturers in the Windows/PC market. I hope everyone eventually has a choice to go for one of these vs. whatever crap Dell/Acer/HP barfs out every year.

I've given up hopes of someone making truly exceptional products for Windows/Linux the way Macs/MacBooks get built. Surface was supposed to get us there but Microsoft just... gave up. Framework is approaching this from a totally different angle, focusing on reliability/upgradeability first and I do hope they eventually crack the formula to build the perfect products.

What do you think framework is missing hardware wise?

Software wise they can't do much except ensure that their hardware has all the necessary drivers in the Windows and Linux kernels.

> What do you think framework is missing hardware wise?

Compared to MacBooks, there's the sheer build quality of not just the whole package, but each and every component. Ever since Apple Silicon, the MacBooks IMO are on a league of their own. My M1 Air is still my most favorite laptop to date and the newer MacBooks define what a "laptop" should be. I realize that Framework's goal makes them approach it from reliability/repairability/upgradeability standpoint but I do hope those laptops converge to the point of having just enough perf, quality and looks to make me want to completely jump ship again.

> Software wise they can't do much

I'd like to hope they think otherwise. I still think there's a big gap on the OS market where h/w+s/w wins can be realized together. Somewhere in between macOS and Linux and just the right bits from Windows. Unfortunately, I don't see anyone attempting to make that happen in meaningful ways. Framework could very well try to do that at some point but not holding out hopes given their current goals.

I think you are asking for tradeoffs in hardware that don't exist. A user repairable laptop necessarily has to have screws, wide bezels, visible hinges, and a somewhat thick body, which prevents it from having Apple product's clean and thin look. But there is a audience for that. Lots of people like that look, just as many people like the exposed brick aesthetic.

In terms of software UI and cleanliness, it's unlikely anything can happen till Framework is a many billion dollar company that can hire hundreds/thousands of SWEs to fix linux. That's what Apple does and succeeds (and Microsoft does and fails).

I just wish Framework Laptop 16 wasn't as bulky. I already have a 14" laptop and looking for a larger screen size because coding on 14" screen is limiting, I can barely squeeze 2 code windows in a vertical split. I would also like to have a local GPU with Pytorch support which I'm not sure I can get with the available Radeon RX 7700s.

Agree about the bulk; I’m on my second Framework 13 and when I pick up my brother’s 16 with graphics module I’m struck by the weight and size; indeed, he has had trouble fitting it into some small to mid-size backpacks.

Unfortunately the biggest problem with Framework is that that don't ship worldwide. I've been waiting for four years to buy their machines now and I'm getting tired of it. Normally I'd just buy a ThinkPad, but Lenovo still don't have any of the new AMD AI 300 series APUs. :(

I can't wait until someone creates a Raspberry Pi mainboard for this laptop!

Hoping for more details soon on mainboard compatibility between the Framework 12 and 13. If I can buy just this chassis, but move over all of my existing internals from my Framework 13, I might.

I'm pretty sure they aren't compatible. One difference for example is that the 12" uses pogo pins to connect the keyboard to the mainboard, instead of the ribbon cable in the 13". It seems to be an entirely different board.

So I'm waiting for Cloudflare to let me in but it sounds like they released a 12" laptop?

I _JUST_ bought a 13", though I think I would've preferred a 12"...

Was hoping for a 12" Macbook successor with small bezels. There aren't many good small computers out there now... Surface Go, GPD Pocket, etc?

You are now in line. Thank you for your patience. Your estimated wait time is 8 minutes.

Thanks Cloudflare, I almost considered buying a framework.

I just watched my wait time GO UP, from 2 mins to 3, I think I've had the tab open longer than the initial 7 minutes what is this garbage?

Mine went to 16 minutes.

FFS, it took me to the desktop thing, which I didn't care about, so I clicked "Framework 12" which I do care about.

Now I'm staring at:

> Your estimated wait time is 35 minutes.

I'm done, I'll see it when I see it, if I do.

Framework really had a flop of an announcement here this is a mess.

That's so bad for the launch... Especially since the landing page should be static, cached, and as easy to serve as the queue page.

Well, at least you can re-consinder in April, when the Framework Laptop 12 pre-orders begin. The new 13 inch is out now, though.

Your estimated wait time is 1 hour and 16 minutes.

You can't wait 8 minutes to make a computer buying decision? lol

Why should I wait? If I can't access the site to make a buying decision, imagine if I had a technical issue or needed support? Am I supposed to wait every time?

No thanks.

This is not a standard issue. They just had a large event, so a lot more people are trying to use the site relative to their standard visitor count. Traffic will probably be back down to standard levels in the next few hours, if you're able to wait that long without having a heart attack.

I lost interest, but it looks like nothing has changed. Pretty sad for a likely static page.

I've never seen a marketing website gated like this. Queue the user for the purchase, I just want to see what the dang thing is

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