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That's not along the same line of thinking.

Theranos was also a fraud. I am not talking about outright fraud.

I am just some shmoe, so I would love someone else to put this more clearly. Is what I originally posted intellectual property/regulatory arbitrage, vs. fraud?

Is there a better way to state this difference?

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As with everything there’s lines you can bend and lines you just don’t cross. Gambling with your clients’ deposits is always going to mean jail time. Timing is also important, for example the US basically has given up on consumer finance protection laws and white collar crime being a thing, so while big companies can still sue you the government will let you get away with anything you like. Go for it!

https://soundcloud.com/anchorball/grifters-paradise

What a time to be alive!

This is generative AI music, aka the future of music?

It’s funny that AI needs that much auto-tune.

When it doesn't sound like auto-tune, is when we really have to worry.

I mean Tesla self driving advertising is as much of a fraud as theranos… maybe it’s not as bad because it wasn’t a medical device?

No, it's acceptable because he bought the White House.

Promising a of self driving and delivering a much lower level is not nearly as much fraud as "the entire product does nothing". And it being a promise about future improvements also reduces the level of fraud compared to lying about what the product already does.

It’s not though because it somewhat works and the limitations are clear when you use it.

Theranos was completely fraudulent and there was no way to tell.

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