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> It's only "free" if you value your time at $0/hr.

With FOSS I don't have to spend time trying to figure out how to remove the latest unwanted crap from my start menu or taskbar. I don't have to spend time figuring out how to remove the telemetry crap. I don't have to set my default browser back to Firefox after every major update. I don't have to click through popups about new features they want to promote or telling me how I can waste even more money by subscribing to their cloud services. I don't have to lose work because it decided I didn't update often enough and just forces a reboot without my approval. No, I can just work on it and it will just do what I want, not what Microsoft wants. That saves me a lot of time.

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>how to remove the latest unwanted crap from my start menu or taskbar => 5 min.

>I don't have to spend time figuring out how to remove the telemetry crap. => Use Rufus writing Win Iso., choose no telemetry option, 0,5 min.

>I don't have to set my default browser back to Firefox after every major update => Just not true, 0 min.

>I don't have to click through popups about new features they want to promote or telling me how I can waste even more money by subscribing to their cloud services. => Use Windows Pro Version, no Popups, 0 min.

In total: 5,5 min.

Learn using Linux: > 3yrs.

> Learn using Linux: > 3yrs.

That's quite dishonest in the context of general usage scenario.

> Use Rufus writing Win Iso., choose no telemetry option,

So you pay for the product and then need to download some unofficial shady East European software to remove unwanted features? Ridiculous.

Also I did some experimenting with firewalling telemetry and I doubt thatshady software blocks all of it. I don't believe it.

It doesn't. It just chooses the minimal data collection option for you during the install.

Actually turning it all off requires very deep modification of the OS.

>So you pay for the product and then need to download some unofficial shady East European software to remove unwanted features? Ridiculous.

Get your facts straight. A quick check of wikipedia will reveal it's open source and written by Pete Batard from Ireland, not "some unofficial shady East European software".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_(software)

https://akeo.ie/

Meanwhile "linux" incorporates software from overworked volunteers that willingly handed over control to some shady threat actor that successfully backdoored it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XZ_Utils_backdoor

True, even Microsoft once recommended Rufus in instructions for some of their msdn ISOs. Not sure if they still do though.

Well I guess I made a mistake, don't remember why I thought that Rufus is from Eastern Europe.

That is about as ridiculous as saying it takes 3 years to truly know how the iPhone works. You're talking out of your ass because you don't have any rational refutations to reach for.

Well it has happened to me that it put Edge back, at least twice that I remember. Once was a longer time ago though, when they moved from "old" edge to "new" edge (which is just a chromium knockoff).

But yeah to each their own. I don't like windows very much either because I can't really customise how it works. While on Linux I can change everything. I can choose a radically different window manager/desktop environment for example. Like i3/sway.

And Linux and BSD (I don't use much Linux, I use BSD on my desktop) are very natural to me because I've been working with Unixes for decades. Like Minix and HP-UX in the 90s before Linux even existed. This is really where preference comes into play.

I still use windows too, on my gaming desktop mostly. And I have Windows 10 LTSC on a little NUC I use for video recording. LTSC is not as bad (even though it still has telemetry :( ). But they should really make it available to everyone.

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