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Can you please make your substantive points without snark or fulmination? We're really trying for something else here.

This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

I get it, but the anguish of people who were paid dramatically less and treated dramatically worse than software developers whose livelihoods are being deliberately harpooned by the software business is not "sour grapes." I'd expect the software culture to be tolerant of the upper class being being indifferent to that anguish, but I see people around here all but dancing on their graves with no real push back. I think y'all generally do a good job with this place but frankly, the utter lack of consideration for the people most affected while being quick to make sure they don't get too touchy about it says everything there is to know about SV culture: all the talk of ethics and fairness get thrown right out the window the second they start to conflict with the bottom line. Fortunately American culture on a whole seems to be following suit so at least it won't seem weird. I don't think I can even passively participate in this culture anymore. I bid you well.

I'm friends with plenty of starving artists or folks working day jobs and forced to keep their music on the side. If you're sad about not making money in music then there are dozens of other things you can blame besides AI that doesn't actually work well enough to take the job you currently don't have because of reasons not controlled by the evil software nerds.

I’m talking about problems a lot more broad than music, hobby artists are a completely different entity than commercial artists and conflating them is targeted willful ignorance. And frankly, developers comprise the most coddled, overprivileged, out-of-touch professional sector south of the c-suite in any industry: your musings about income for anyone outside of the software business are meaningless.

Enjoy your mass layoffs because they aren’t stopping in my sector. Oh, are you one of the special ones too talented to be affected? That’s good news because all developers are according to them. Good luck.

I'm not disagreeing with you! We just need people to make this sort of point thoughtfully, in keeping with the site guidelines. I know that's not always easy when strong feelings are present. (It happens to me too.)

I also don't disagree with you about people's lack of consideration for others, but I think the scope is much too narrow to talk about that as a HN thing or a SV thing or even a national thing. It's present way beyond those levels and may just be a fact of human nature (though fortunately not the only fact).

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