There was a recent comment on HN where someone threatened my wife would be raped, my cell phone would stop working, modern society would fall apart, and my children would all be marched off to war if I don't pay taxes to fund Ukraine. Unlike my own greyed comments, those were vetted.

Now maybe this is all true. But if it is, knowing how transactional international politics is, why not just sign the fluff agreement and take the bruised ego? It's their right either way. I just find it interesting and a bit bizarre.

I think the HN crowd is missing a bit of the more democratic sentiment here, that after years of support we can't keep fueling foreign nations based on blame for others' murder, there needs to be movement towards resolution and if not, Ukraine can shine and show us their independence they're proud of. Personally I don't see this ending unless Zelensky is willing to take a bruised ego.