Americans elected a president who behaves exactly like a Russian asset. And no evidence could make them change their mind about it.
Who are the gullible people again?
Hell, most early Bibles count, or do you think the council of Nicea resulted in something other than what is being described for large swathes of early church writings?
>It also depends on whether book written is deemed illegal.
the discussion may be wider than that comment, but my comment, even if one did not want to give it a charitable reading and was really intent on winning an HN argument today for some reason - which I understand, I been there - would really be most reasonably interpreted as a comment that making books illegal often has the exact opposite of the desired result.
With charity one might also conclude that there is an implied link between quality of the winners in these scenarios, but anyway you seem to have some particular problem and unwillingness to say "huh, well the guy replied to a comment regarding making books illegal and only seems to think that is what is under discussion, I guess no arguing him out of that" so I guess we should just stop rather than you throwing out examples in which books have been changed, under the mistaken assumption that I know nothing about this history (I have read the Apocrypha, the Pseudopigrapha, and the "forgotten books of Eden", so I believe I have a reasonable knowledge regarding your latest sally)
The Council of Nicea - for one example - definitely did NOT make all the alternatives more popular/less dead, right?
Sometimes the streisand effect is real and permanent, sometimes it’s just temporary and the bans/stamping out/destruction work. And unless we’re buried under a mountain of ‘all the others’ which I don’t see, there is a whole lot of it which just goes away through the passage of time because of those effects. Which looks to me like 100x’ish, due to the ‘reverse pyramid’ effect of history.
Or are you making another point i’m missing?
Most recent destroyed content is more likely to be prints of films, in other words things that had a higher cost of reproduction than written content.
The UK with Brexit is a good example. The majority of the voters believed it was a good idea, due to campaigns not really based on facts. Now they're all angry because the results suck for them and the campaigns were mostly lies.
The same is going to happen with the US majority backing Trump's plans. They all believe a lot of lies he keeps telling. And in a few years they're going to be angry because they then face the consequences like high prices for everyday purchases and terrible healthcare for the working class.
It's just that today they don't understand yet what the results of Trump's policies are going to be. And shouting "Canada/Europe/China has been very bad for us" gets them excited, simple human nature, our group vs the other.
And there it is! The info given by the current administration is as bewildering as it is incomplete. Russia, governmental agencies, Medicaid(!), medical researchers (who are shaking in their boots about their futures)...it's a long list with very little reasonable excuses. Musk? I'll stop here.
The point being, we won't know until years from now the damage that's being done to both the states and the world stage.
And I think most people are relieved that for the first time in a hundred years (ever?) somebody is actually doing something to address govt fraud, waste and abuse. Something more than lots of talk followed by no action which is what has always happened previously.
If you’re looking for fraud, waste, and abuse, it’s right there.
And just as a sidenote, the Democrats had 3 times the campaign funds of the Republicans at the last election (Nancy Pelosi herself is worth 100 million..something like that). So if you want to talk about wealthy people, lets talk about the Dems.
And we can also talk about the many people getting very wealthy from the Dem NGOs (USAid was a slush fund basically).
Yet these are not the same things. DOGE has done many things already which upset and discourage people. Come to Canada where the sentiment towards DOGE seems very negative, you will still see a great desire for improved government efficiency.
DOGE is not as well-loved as a poll about government efficiency will make it seem. Almost everyone wants improved efficiency. Many people think their public service needs cuts. Not everyone thinks the way DOGE does it makes sense.
History writing my arse!
The best option to actually convict him was in Atlanta for racketeering to win an election. There the democratic attorney general blew it by hiring the prosecutor she was sleeping with.
Treason is strictly defined in the constitution and doesn't apply here because we aren't at war with Russia.
He probably did engage in seditious conspiracy or such things with them, via Roger Stone and Wikileaks, but they successfully obstructed justice enough to get away with it.
Wouldn't their best option be to put up a candidate and policies that voters actually liked?
"What is 'inclusive or' Alex?"
Alex: "Yes! And that will.close out the 'boolean operators & avoidable horrors' category for this game."
However it should probably be noted that it was official government organizations of the first group that were being gullible whereas the official government organizations of the second group all seem to know exactly what's up, but either seem unable to do anything or are actively participating.
The only thing they remember is he was president in 2019. They don't reliably know who it was in 2020/2021 though.
(I think the fixed-term strong presidential system is essentially unfixable here. The country needs snap elections.)
You think Trump takes orders from Putin? He's too much an egotist, and he sent the Javalins to Ukreain when lots of the establishment thought it was a bad idea since the experts thought Putin wasn't mad enough to invade again. (Even if he took Kyiv in the time the US took Baghdad, the counterinsurgency to follow would / will break them).
Yeah, IMO Putin does think Trump is incompetent, easily manipulated, corrupt, and easily influenced by actual assets. Elon is similar, but rather than incompetent, he has aligned interests (Russia is a gas station, and Elon sells EVs, both want the price of gas to skyrocket and I suspect both think US global power basically exists to keep gas prices low).
I'm in shock that more people don't realise that Elon / Trump foreign policy is easily explained by Elon wanting higher gas prices, and Trump being easily manipulated.
There's no solid evidence Trump is secretly and knowingly working for Putin, that's just a cooker left-wing conspiracy theory IMO.
Not enough to indict, anyways, but there's a spectrum between insane left-wing conspiracy and a jury conviction. Paul Manafort, Trumps 2016 campaign chairman, was sentenced to 7 years prison after pleading guilty to conspiracy against the United States. His protege Rick Gates did 45 days in a plea bargain deal.
Then there was the time Trump stood up at his campaign podium and directly asked Russian hackers to leak more Clinton emails:
> “Russia, if you’re listening,” Trump said, “I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.”
And during his presidency, he went out of his way to take secret meetings with Putin in Hamburg Germany[1], among other places. We have no idea what was discussed, which seemingly checks the "secret" box at least. As for "knowing," well, he directly asked for their help, but who knows how mentally "there" he is. Comes down to "for" I guess, as I'm sure he'd characterize it as "with"?
[1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump...
Artificially triggering an economic recession is a sure way lower oil prices. So how exactly are they planning to do this?
Besides that.. if this is really musk’s goal he’s going in very roundabout way.
> There's no solid evidence Trump is secretly and knowingly working for Putin
True. He is obviously working for him very publicly and whether he’s conscious of that or not does not even change much