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European presences of US providers are still US providers with all the implications of that for privacy, applicability of US laws, government interference and a potential trade war.

You say that, but their login page / dashboard is hosted on the same IP, also through Cloudflare.

I had not noticed that. Thanks. Not good.

I think I will be moving the stuff I have on Upcloud elsewhere!

How does that make it any better?

Because if the actual services they used were not going through cloudflare then it would not really matter to users.

It turns out their management web UI (for orders etc.) also goes through cloudflare so that is a potential problem (and I now plan to switch away from Upcloud for that reason - its silly to route that through Cloudflare).

That said, their servers and their managent are in Europe.

> Because if the actual services they used were not going through cloudflare then it would not really matter to users.

This might fly if they were selling Bananas. But they are selling "cloud hosting". Cloudflare is literally their competitor.