China's Energy Transition at Odds with Solar Glut, Cheap Power
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While yes, too much surplus capacity would eventually indicate overinvestment, for now it seems like great news for the compute and software industry in China. If you reliably have times when energy is better-than-free, that's the ideal time to scale up and generate embeddings from your stored data, or train LLMs, or do all sorts of other batch-able but intensive tasks.
just convert it to something and transport it where its not cheap.
So of course cheap energy is bad if you want to prop up a whole set of multinationals that rely on rent-seeking behavior. It puts those companies’ long-term growth at risk.
I thought rural areas were treated as second-class in my country, and since i've gone to West Virginia i was "that's _really_ second class: we are good, comparatively", but China countryside is worse than that. Yes, that might be surprising to left-leaning US citizen who are aware of the recent floodings in WV and the lack of national help: the abandonment of rural area seems somehow worse in China.
I can't say for sure how things are is particularly favorable for a specific side, many will be quick to judge with intent to merely confirm their pre-existing conclusions, but the real question for me is: what are these places going to look like in 50 years? Is the US going to sober up and become a first world country again? Is China's modernization going to continue and reach the country sides (e.g. not a bubble)?
My best hopes is that peaceful prosperity arrives at both places.
I wonder how long until we actually see air cooled AI data centers in the middle of nowhere just because they have cheap power? China could invest in dry cooling tower technology next.
> The deluge of solar power has thrust electricity prices into negative territory in regions with liberalized energy markets, which bodes ill for the economics of further expansion.
No, it doesn't. This is the market sending energy developers and policymakers a signal to stop installing solar in this particular location and start installing storage or transmission.The market is sending California the same signal now, and they are responding accordingly.
There is no boding ill here. This is everything working as it should be.
1) You can just install solar capacity and even on the best of days that power will be used and simply offset CO2 production.
2) Reach a point where the peak is a exceeding the transmission lines and the mid day power curve is showing Solar meeting all demand and maybe exceeding it a little. Prices now drop significant on these rare occasions.
3) There is now enough Solar that with the right balance of storage its enough even in winter when aggregated across a large area and have effectively decarbonised completely.
During phase 1 its easy you just install panels.
Phase 2 however is a painful phase involving upgrading of transmission lines as power now comes from different places and in peaks and also the addition of storage to move power across the day and smooth out delivery. There are moments of free or negative price power and these are signals to the market that more storage is required.
Phase 3 involves overprovision of solar capacity in the summer but enough in winter combined with the storage to aggregate across the day. Its also going to need efficient long range transmission upgrades as sunshine has tendency to appear in big blocks.
People expect that the storage needs and overprovision will be a lot bigger than they actually need to be. There is an experiment for this in Australia which shows that about 120% solar and 1 days worth of storage is all it would take, which as a combination is vastly cheaper than their current Coal plants. The mix is going to be different for different countries dependent on the weather and irradiance but there is always going to be an optimal mix based on the relative prices.
What I think is interesting is what do we do with that 20% of "free" energy through the summer? I tend to hope we put it towards CO2 capture but I suspect its a also a good time to training AI, electrolyse for hydrogen and filter salt water. This business opporrtunity is going to increasingly appear as a natural consequence of green energy solutions, wind and solar both produce the same energy market effect.
Chinese spending on renewable energy dwarfs its rivals, with over $800 billion — or 4.5% of its GDP — invested last year, according to BloombergNEF.
That is a mind boggling level of commitment.You are right about China keeping options open - the BRI initiative is about improving land transport options in Eurasia.
Also, the US Navy can project a lot of power into the Indian Ocean and Western Pacific.
Beijing's being worried about an interruption of it supply of oil would explain why they continue to build coal generating plants at a fast rate in addition to solar plants. (China has plenty of coal.)
For people who get a chance to visit the country looking for tours by the large manufacturers if you're into engineering is a really cool thing.
Now let's hold reality too it:
https://globalenergymonitor.org/projects/global-coal-plant-t...
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That said - cheap electricity is a huge boon to any country - so while they may have some challenges it is far better than the alternative of too much power. Solar manufacturers are in for a rough couple years.
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Per the article they are forecast to add 300 GW of renewables each year, which is admirable. But they also started construction on just under 100 GW of new coal power plants last year, and granted approvals for yet more in the future. [0]
You could quibble at the margins (some of it will be replacing EOL coal plants, some of it is intended as firming capacity only, etc.). But in the big picture, it indicates that where the Chinese economy needs more energy supplied, renewables aren't yet suitable to fill a large portion of that need.
[0] https://www.carbonbrief.org/chinas-construction-of-new-coal-...