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but at the same time, now Microsoft knows you are using Tailscale (and they use this data in their tracking + analytics). And all the other products. They get a very good insight of your online habbit, because they have a list of all other products and apps you use where you sign in with your microsoft account. And due to the way token refresh works, they even have a good idea how frequently you use each individual one.

And if you for whatever reason get locked out of your microsoft account (and I say this as someone who had this happen with a Google account) your are basically locked out of your online life.

I own my own domain for my email address (xxxx@mydomain.com). As long as I can set the MX record of that domain freely, I can always restore access to my email adress no matter what any email provider decides to do or block me for.

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sure, then spin up a keycloak.

Its not hard.

If you don’t feel comfortable doing so: maybe that is telling.

What are you on about. For years logging in with email was possible even on the most amateurish projects. Now that's not possible for tailscale? Why

Because they don't want your password and as a security company, I applaud that.

Account issues, recovery, support that can be manipulated, a single breach or bad password that grants access to their admin interfaces, implementing their own 2FA.

And, serious people want SSO anyway, and most people have some kind of authentication they can lean on.

You can make a stodgy password login if you want, or you can run a keycloak yourself.

If you don't want to run an OIDC provider for yourself, why would you want them to?

Genuinely I applaud the idea that they're SSO first, and have as little information as possible to handle things. If you don't like it; well, run your own, run headscale - or, use wireguard another way.

Not every company needs their own login system. I fucking hate it.

Microsoft was hacked before and I don't trust them but I trust the email provider at the company I work for now what

Microsoft getting hacked proves my point more than you think, they're less likely to get hacked now because they have scar tissue. You're basically saying: "If you ever get hacked your reputation is burned forever, but I want these guys who have never done it before to handle logins for me even though they are saying that they are not comfortable with the extra responsibility". Get over yourself.

If you trust your email provider: Ask them to set up an OIDC provider then.

Email is insecure. I can't be the first person to tell you this.

Multiplying your logins is not more security, it's less in the majority of cases.

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