"First talk was OpenBSD's wireless talk. Much rethoric about freedom and little appreciation for the way the world actually works, as opposed to how it looks like it works from the headquarters of OpenBSD.

Asked directly if they thought they could defend their reverse engineering of for instance the Atheros HAL. The answer as I heard it was "Laws don't apply to us".

I guess I'm not the right person to appreciate the valor of their crusade, but somehow their rethoric reminds me too much about Rote Arme Fraktion and similar terrorgroups of the seventies which tried to change society by bombing political correct holes in it.

If OpenBSD aims to corner the paranoid/radical part of the market they're welcome to it for all I care.

Doesn't sound like it is doing anything good for their wireless support however."

I dunno, sounds to me like you bitterly despise anyone who dares to do things correctly instead of doing whatever is expedient. OpenBSD's stance on the wireless issue was correct, has been proven to be correct, and should be admired. And I'm a netbsd guy, so I am "supposed to" hate openbsd.