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> outsourcing for software fizzled out

Any data on that? I see everyone trying to outsource as much as they can. Sure, now it is moving toward AI, but every company I walk into have 10-1000s of FTEs in outsource countries.

I see most fortune 1000 companies here doing some type of agile/planningexecution which is in fact more waterfall. The people here in the west are more management and client facing, the rest is 'thrown over the fence'.

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If they're FTEs, that's not outsourcing, it's moving your employees to a cheaper location.

Outsourcing means laying off your FTEs and shoving the entire project over to a WITCH consulting shop.

FTE for lack of a better word: they are not employees of the company, they are full-time working for the company; they are employed by some outsourcing place. FTE I guess means employee of the western country and that they are not, but what would be the term? Full time remote worker?

Maybe you mean "contractor" ?

A lot of those deals between western companies and companies in developing countries are not fixed-time contracts but ongoing collaborations.

And that is not outsourcing? Definitely called that here...

The point being made here is that the biggest software companies still employ lots of programmers but the biggest manufacturing companies don't employ lots of factory workers. I don't think you need data just think about Microsoft vs General Motors etc etc

Sure, but my claim is that these things are still outsourced en masse and nothing fizzled out from that perspective.

It did fizzle out the first time round. It won't on this occasion.

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