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Comment by egirlcatnip | Hacker News Reader

Greatly misinformative article, readers take caution.

Facts: Imane was assigned female at birth.

We refer to people like her as AFAB. identifying as a woman makes her therefore cisgender.

cis [latin -> same] cisgender [matching gender assigned at birth]

the opposite of cisgender is transgender

trans [latin -> opposite] transgender [opposite to assigned gender at birth]

Trans women are also allowed to compete, but may only do so after extensive checks of their hormone balance - which affects their physical characteristics to an extent. These hormone levels must be in the allowed range for competition, which is not applied to cis people.

source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imane_Khelif

Following Khelif's victory over Italy's Angela Carini during the 2024 Olympic Games, misinformation surfaced on social media about her gender and eligibility to compete. False claims that Khelif is male were fueled by Khelif's disqualification from the 2023 Women's World Boxing Championships, organised by the Russian-led International Boxing Association (IBA) after she allegedly failed unspecified gender eligibility tests. The International Olympic Committee (IOC) and its Paris Boxing Unit stated Khelif was eligible to compete in the Olympics and criticized the IBA's previous disqualification as "sudden and arbitrary" and taken "without any due process". Khelif was born female, and there is no evidence that she has XY chromosomes or elevated levels of testosterone.

There's no misinformation in the article, you've just misunderstood it.

It has nothing to do with trans. This is another Caster Semenya type of situation.

That wiki article on Khelif is wrong. There was an interview with Khelif's trainer where he said there is a "problem with chromosomes" and "problem with hormones" and that Khelif is now having testosterone levels lowered medically. The XY karyotype test results of Khelif have been quoted and reported on by sports journalists.

Anyway if Khelif by some miracle isn't male then there should be no concern about this sex screening that World Boxing have introduced. It will only disqualify boxers who shouldn't be competing in the female category.

Even if the article had correct information, you misgendering Khelif with he/him is a very clear sign of transphobic views.

Trans rights are human rights, everyone deserves the basic respect, be it cis or trans people.

People often also like to forget about trans men, when talking about women's sports. Where are they supposed to compete?

What is the allowed hormonal balance. Gender assigned at birth does not directly equate to

Man = muscles Woman = Weak

I will not be partaking in this conversation any longer, as you fail to provide any sources, but I believe informing people is my duty and I'm glad I have.

Women's rights are human rights. Have you considered this?

Any eligble female athlete should be allowed to compete in the female category, regardless of identity. Coincidentally, to answer your question, there is a good example from women's boxing in the 2024 Olympics: Hergie Bacyadan, a female boxer who identifies as a man.

Sports governing bodies are, thankfully, moving away from flawed identity-based policies and back towards recognizing male physical advantage as the excluding factor for the female category. So athletes like Khelif and Semenya are excluded. But athletes with CAIS, for example, may be permitted to compete as if they are female.

It is your choice if you don't wish to converse further about this. I expect others will recognize your contribution for the drive-by scolding that it was.

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