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Trump deploys National Guard as LA protests against immigration agents continue

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What happens when trump invokes the Insurrection Act, and US military gets used against US civilians?

According to Project 2025 that's when the dictatorship is successfully installed.

Many fear just that scenario.-

Dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44214230

I don't support protests turning into riots but the news media I put heavy blame on for not accurately reporting on what's going on in the Trump administration in the immigration enforcement. So I understand why these protesters would be turning violent because so many legal and documented immigrants have had their rights violated. Why should they protest peacefully when the government is clearly violating rights at a massive scale and the news media is largely ignoring it. The government has forgotten the lesson of Timothy McVeigh. The government chooses the rules of engagement.

Documented immigrants are being picked up by the immigration department for no reason at all. They are being denied habeas corpus rights. The Trump administration has actually said they want to suspend habeas corpus rights, which is totally bizarre for anyone who says that they believe in the Constitution. The foolishness of so many acting like the Constitution applies only to citizens shows the breakdown in our educational process. The Constitution is about how the government deals with people, not just citizens but all peoples in any place that its jurisdiction is exercised. I wonder if these staunch second amendment supporters understand that people who are legally here within the United States, citizen or not, are allowed to exercise the second amendment and own firearms. Based on the way that a lot of conservatives are treating legal immigrants, either intentionally or through ignorance by ignoring what's going on, I suspect that they don't.

Just as an example of what ICE is doing, that is really not being reported. They are picking up people on their detainers which have a much lower standard than any kind of probable cause. They are detaining them in facilities and scheduling court dates. Of course immigration courts are so overloaded these are often times a month or more from when they were arrested. So they are detained for long periods of time without ever having a habeas corpus hearing. It gets even worse because immigration has wide latitude to move detainees from facility to facility. My friend who was picked up had a court date that was scheduled and they were 3 days from being required to appear in court. ICE decided to move them to a different facility in a different state. This triggers a change in jurisdictions so they would have been released within 3 days because there was no probable cause to continue to detain them but now they need to wait another month for another hearing. Quite likely within a few days of that they will be shifted to a different facility so their case will be moved again.

This is the kind of egregious and intentional violations that immigration is doing right now. They are waging a war of attrition against legal immigrants to encourage them to voluntarily deport themselves. I do not understand why every news media outlet is not reporting on this. You either support people's rights or you don't care. I would think that there would be big money in this lots of eyeballs on the news but it seems that the liberal or conservative media outlets literally don't care. Perhaps it's their way to show that they can go along to get along because if legal immigrants can have their rights egregiously violated, guess who's going to have their rights violated next?

I understand that the consitution also applies to people who are illegal in the United States. This is very important for people who travel to the United States by plane and are rejected entrance for some reason, for example having certain messaged on social media, and are thus declared illegals to be send home. The idea that I as an EU member could be deported to El Salvador, is enough reason for me to not consider to travel to the USA and advice everyone to avoid doing it as well, especially if the are of (mixed) color.

There is a bit of a difference between someone who is denied entry at the border, and someone who is allowed entry, fully documented, given work permits, and have been in the country for several years.

Being denied entry at the border, isn't something that I would risk if I was planning a holiday or even an extended visit. That's just a good way to ruin everyone's plans and waste a bunch of money. I can totally understand why people wouldn't come here and risk that denial even when they have a visa in hand.

I just wanted to state that the right for due process is not restricted to people being legally in the USA, it applies to all people, no matter their legal status (as I am not mistaken).

Several people, including teenage girls, have been stripped searched when they were rejected entry and had to wait overnight for a return flight. Also being in the country as a tourist, you are no longer safe. NYPD and ICE mistakenly arrested a Chilean woman here in NYC on vacation and left her 12 year old daughter alone in the street. https://x.com/Suzierizzo1/status/1931541931030389049

All the things you mention are getting extensive coverage.

They are getting some coverage but in no way is it extensive. News is still reporting that it's illegal immigrants being picked up, and they act like it's the exception that legal immigrants have been deported. Because they only mention one or two high-profile ones. Not the thousands upon thousands of legal immigrants that are detained and being deported that do not have the money or the luck to get picked up by the ACLU so their case can be heard.

Also I'm hard pressed to find any news media that's talking about how immigrants are shifted from the detention facility to detention facility, to actively deny them their day in court to hear why they're being detained. So go ahead show me the extensive coverage because it doesn't exist. The only people who seem to know about what's going on are those who have people who have been arrested by ICE for no reason and everyone else pretends like it must be the exception and an accident because that's how the news media is reporting it.

The occasional government, oh my bad we didn't mean to do that, but most of the people being picked up are legal and documented immigrants because how else would they know where to go get them at. Basic logic says if you're undocumented they don't know where you're at.

> So go ahead show me the extensive coverage because it doesn't exist.

I read NYT, WaPo, CNN, Reuters, AP, and other sources daily. Everything you’re talking about is getting extensive coverage.

With respect, you made the initial claim that it’s not, so it’s your burden of proof. I’m not your Google.

I look at those outlets daily, show me one article, just one, that mentions detainees are being shuffled from detention center to detention center to avoid allowing them to have their day in court. The burden of proof is on you because you said it was extensive. I acknowledge there is some coverage but it is not extensive and it is not talking about the specific abuses that I am mentioning.

All of those news outlets that you cite are treating the issue as if it is the exception because they are still saying Trump is deporting illegals. My assertion is that these are legal and documented people that are being denied their habeas corpus rights. So go ahead show me one article that has thousands upon thousands of detainees being shuffled from detention center to detention center only days away from having there court hearing.

You seem to be another one of these deniers as to the egregious rights violations that are going on.

I wouldn't particularly say 'extensive coverage'. It's mostly the publications sitting on the far left side of things (by American standards). Publications closer to the center tend to downplay the stories immensely (focusing on finding a way to highlight that they're illegal, theorizing about crimes they did, ignoring the fundamental rights of the country etc) and anything on the right is either outright ignoring it or calling it a good thing.

Most of the coverage I've seen come out of these stories has been on social media which bubble up some of the local news stations and papers.

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