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That’s the gist, yes, at least initially. It never stops at a given category of person, though, and you can assume next steps would be to set arbitrary milestones and dates around who is and is not a citizen based on birthright. Picture the glut of immigrants in the 1800 and 1900s who never got proper citizenship, or only had permanent residency. You can bet that the next step would be to say if you can’t point to a US Citizen direct ancestor after a given year, you’re no longer a citizen yourself.

That’s why revocation through Executive Order alone is so dangerous: its intent isn’t merely to get all undesirables today, but all undesirables ever, no matter what the definition of “undesirable” is.

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Some of us can trace ancestry to service in the revolutionary war.

I can't. My family has been here for only about five generations.

Probably legally, but I doubt I can prove that.

Bye.

Does this make you more of a citizen than literally any other? It shouldn't.

It means I still have an advantage because my ancestors did not manage to completely squander the land grants given as a result of that service...

Does it mean that the lady I met last year who flew from Brazil to have her babies in the US did a right thing?

That's the question for the court

Dual citizens have somewhere else to go when the ship sinks. They're never going to be as invested in the future of the country as those who don't.

Who said dual citizenship is on the table for most of the folks affected by these proceedings? For many people, this WILL be home. Why will some H1B visa kid give a shit about Iran, Venezuela or Mexico when one of his parents are from any of those places - and THEY aren't?

People don't lose their parents citizenship anymore because record keeping is much better now. My ancestors probably arrived in the 1720s but the British burned the census records during the revolution. This doesn't happen anymore.

As for dual citizens they were all waving Mexican flags during the LA protests. They wouldn't if they didn't give a shit.

>"The British burned the census records during the revolution. This doesn't happen anymore."

LOL What? Destruction against governmental records doesn't happen anymore? I guess you can spare me for remembering Iraq's National Library being burned down twice in 2003, or Israel - which is on its newest genocidal bender and is now creating NEW fresh asylum seekers that this information will be relevant for - destroying media devices and storage in Palestinian territories the year before.

>"As for dual citizens they were all waving Mexican flags during the LA protests. They wouldn't if they didn't give a shit."

They probably did, and I can redirect your attention to tons of families born outside of America that had children here that subscribed to national identity.

- Kamala Harris, Indian Mother and Jamaican Father

- Vivek Murthy, Indian parents

- Sergey Brin, Jewish Soviet parents

Great, we have cherrypicked examples for both of our stances, how would you like to proceed?

There is only the nation and identity. National identity isn't some cloak that you just hand out. Magic dirt isn't real.

>"National identity isn't some cloak that you just hand out. Magic dirt isn't real"

Goes the same between both ways. Nation <-> Identity. Thanks for your replies.

You say they are Indians or Soviets, not Americans.

I proudly say I'm American almost everyday; as do tens of millions. Talk to more people, the knowledge and experience you obtain will surprise you.

99.87% of Americans do not have a sense of their own culture. 99.87% dual citizens do (especially three countries you listed). Iranians are raised to know they are Iranians not from fucking Oklahoma

>"99.87% of Americans do not have a sense of their own culture"

Where'd you get that figure?

5 decades of experience :)

So, nonsense. Cheers

name one thing that is part of “american culture” (other than bringing military to football games which only countries like north korea do), I’ll wait… :)

Cheers for admitting your ignorance and willing to expand on it, and showing you haven't been a member of the national identity (which is THE ONLY ONE in the world where most of its members believe ANYONE can assimilate to, regardless of untenable characteristics):

- Food: American Barbecue, desserts (root beer float, sopapillas, cupcakes, most pies, milkshakes) comfort foods (clam chowder, cornbread, banana bread, cornbread), breakfast (pancakes, hashbrowns), dinner dishes (crab, lobster, turkey, fried chicken)

- Ways of Eating Food: Tailgating, Cookouts, Drive-Thrus, Clam Bake

- Sports: American Football, Hockey, Pickleball, Lacrosse, Baseball, Basketball, Motorsports (Nascar, Indy), Skateboarding and Snowboarding

- Holidays and Celebrations: Thanksgiving, Fourth of July, Presidents Day, Memorial Day as a colloquial "start" of Summer and all the events in it, Labor Day as a colloquial "end" of Summer and all the events in it, Black Friday

- Technology: The pioneer in modern technology, from Silicon Valley to patent protections worldwide

- Military: Being exceptionalist in a Pax Americana era, being proud of our military and our might on the world stage - even at the expense of our own socialization (B2 bomber compilation with the text "Russia/China/Iran is about to see why we don't have free healthcare")

- Media: America is by far the world's largest exporter of culture with its reign on TV, movie, and music popularity and influence worldwide. If that's not culture to you, you're fundamentally disingenuous.

- Beliefs: Strong individualism ("the individual is the primary unit"), fundamental distrust in government and a shared collective identity in those against it, free-speech absolutism, the right of firearms to protect against real-danger and government tyranny, belief that there is "always better" and to strive for it with a "Can-Do" attitude, the idea that ANYONE can be American regardless of traits, while every other culture on Earth strongly conforms to their own - American has a unique embrace of all other cultures (which, itself, is a culture)

- Out-of-household activities and beliefs: Drive-In Movies, Road trips, out-of-household services has a huge belief on tipping

- Work-life: Strong meritocracy belief (those who work hard will be rewarded), first-name basis with equals and superiors, 9-to-5 identity, side hustles and multiple jobs

- Language: Regional dialects, no official language

It's clear those 5 decades haven't much to show for themselves.

I expected to read a whole lot of things here but root beer float killed me - thanks for this laugh mate :)

I also implore you to research everything on that list and its origin or credit for widespread use, starting with the one you critiqued:

"The ice cream float was invented by Robert M. Green in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in 1874 during the Franklin Institute's semicentennial celebration. The traditional story is that, on a particularly hot day, Green ran out of ice for the flavored drinks he was selling and instead used vanilla ice cream from a neighboring vendor, inventing a new drink.[3]"

Best of luck to you!

I'd argue that an immigrant working their way up from the bottom is much more useful to society than some loafer whose ancestors maybe did something two hundred years ago. After all, almost half of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or children of immigrants.

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