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I hope we do get a bit more sense in things.

I’m worried that the pendulum will swing far past center and back to biases though.

I’m a bit of a leftie, but it has been really painful for the last 10 years watching my side be the one that is actively racist and proposing systematic racism & sexism with a bare face.

We should be mindful that inside each of us is a significant amount of value, and under the right circumstances that can be unlocked to be great- despite any political or physiological differences.

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> I’m a bit of a leftie, but it has been really painful for the last 10 years watching my side be the one that is actively racist and proposing systematic racism & sexism with a bare face.

Examples?

> We should be mindful that inside each of us is a significant amount of value, and under the right circumstances that can be unlocked to be great- despite any political or physiological differences.

Wouldn’t that be wonderful? But in the meantime, while we wait for the racists and sexists to become enlightened, should we not have initiatives, laws, education, to protect those who have historically been underrepresented and/or discriminated against?

>should we not...

We should, though you've phrased it very generically. Obviously there is a line, and actively disadvantaging those who are systemically/historically advantaged is chaos - I'm even comfortable calling it immoral. "Treating the symptom", or "brute-forcing" it, is a catastrophe in culture-sized problems.

Ideally, via cultural development, one day we can look at statistics and see that no race or gender gets more/better jobs than another. Legally demanding that it simply be the case is insane.

One example:

Apple VP stated officially as their hiring policy:

>We’ve made some changes to the way we do manager hiring … There’s two questions at the top of an offer when it goes to approval. One is that a female was interviewed and that a URE [underrepresented employee] was interviewed. And … for management positions, I have said that I won’t approve an offer unless there’s a yes next to one of those.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UfuYjAj1jZM

https://aflegal.org/press-release/america-first-legal-demand...

This is illegal, it clearly violates the civil rights act.

It's a tragedy how many people feel unrepresented by their nearest political party. Everybody is necessarily rounded to "right" or "left", but they both have such obvious, horrible issues (this is not a "both sides" argument, because I believe the issues of the right are much worse than the issues of the left).

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