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Is anybody buying x86 based laptops nowadays? It seems that there are few advantages over ARM based Windows/Linux or the M-series laptops.

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Most people buying laptops, probably.

The advantage is all of that legacy software that some process relies on and hasn't been meaningfully updated in 10+ years and won't be ported over to the ARM processors that you damned kids are running on because back in my day we paid for one copy of x86 software and that got us through 10 winters, dammit.

Uphill both ways

And you were thankful to have two uphills. A lot of people didn’t even have that!

This take is about as bad as the old Slashdot take well over a decade ago - “do people still watch TV? I haven’t owned a TV in a decade.”

I do. Wanted a discrete GPU and ability to run all the games I love on the go, including those that may want a little bit of GPU performance and don't have a macOS port. Can't realistically do this on non-x86.

Windows on ARM doesn't work well and has very low sales.

Anyone not buying a macbook, which is still like 70% of the market

And it's only that high in the US. Global MacOS share is 15-17% range, in the US it's around 25% (and this is very concentrated in a few niches).

Yeah but I was also thinking of chromebooks, many of which are ARM

Link me to a reliable brand of ARM laptop that runs Linux and is high performance!

I'm enjoying my framework AMD laptop although the battery life with suspend is miserable.

Unfortunately the AMD models don't support real sleep, only "nap," like a tablet. Guess how I found out?

Our Intel Framework does, although you might need to use Linux to utilize it.

Why is that? I read something about both Intel and AMD stopping a certain "level" of suspend, I didn't know there was an issue or design shortcoming that affected only AMD.

Not certain, but it appears the intel pretends it doesn’t support it but the hardware is still there, so Linux can still use it. But the newer AMD truly doesn’t.

Both our models are couple of years old now.

What's the difference between "napping" and sleeping? Once you truly power down all the I/O they should perform about the same. A tablet with all the radios powered down (via airplane mode if necessary) can "nap" for a long time, rivaling any laptop with its proper "sleep".

https://en.ittrip.xyz/windows/modern-standby-vs-s3

There’s a Linux command for listing supported sleep states, but I don’t have it handy.

cat /sys/power/mem_sleep

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/lenovo/lenovo-edu-chr...

The person you responded to has an AMD framework laptop, which means they can do 96 of ram if they want (some users report success with 128GB). The laptop you linked only goes up to 16GB of ram.

That laptop only has 256GB of storage whereas you can throw a 4TB m.2 ssd into the AMD framework if you want.

That laptop only has 2 USB type-c and they're both only 5Gbps (and one legacy USB port). The AMD 7040 framework has 2 USB4 40Gbps ports and 2 regular USB type-c 3.2 ports (and then the whole modular card system in front of those ports).

That laptop looks genuinely nice. With a few small tweaks I'd consider it. Though, in terms of personal preference I wouldn't want to do a chromebook again because of the annoyance of having to rebind the keys on every operating system I install (the pixelbook had the caps lock key bound to super and IIRC F11 was bound to something that doesn't exist on normal keyboards), and I'll never buy an oled screen for/in a computer.

M1 with Ashai Linux

As long as you don't want to plug in any screens

I would love it if Apple just fully embraced Asahi, dedicated resources to it. Imagine 'you can now run either macOS or Linux on your Mac, or both, your choice' - not an an Apple subsystem for Linux, actual Linux, and all peripherals working right across the line.

Seems like as impressive as the work & project is, it's always going to be struggling to play catch-up: you're not happy with the extent of M1 implementation, my understanding is M3/M4 just barely work headlessly.

The HDMI works perfectly, you do need DisplayLink for the third screen which is fruatraiting but a lot better overall then the next best Arm64 laptop.

Almost everyone on Windows and BSD/Linux land, the large majority of folks outside US and countries with similar wage levels.

I think that's still most of what Dell, HP, and Lenovo sell.

Most of corporate America is still primarily using x86 systems.

The vast majority of people and companies.

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