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The fact that you cannot even see how ridiculuous this piece of propaganda is, says also about your ability to reason. The great demographic drop in the Soviet Union happened after the WWII (you remember that Soviet Union defeated the nazis, right?), but even that was not "170 million people" and was due to the war started by the nazis (whatever your propaganda claims about that).

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> was due to the war started by the nazis

Soviet ally, nonetheless! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...

Yes, cherrypicking the pact when the relevant part is the international context back then.. Soviet Union had to defend itself not only from nazi Germany.

To remind you of western capitalists helping the nazis? Of the British royal family ties to the nazis?

Yes, yes, the "defense" where you occupy parts of Poland, attack Finland. And of course, providing resources and training facilities to the dear ally in Berlin. There is a reason why soviets always talked about "BoB" and never about WWII - they've entered the latter as allies of Hitler, which does not fit to the soviet victim narrative.

Here are some documents about american capitalists financing the nazis

https://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=WallStHitler&C=...

The USA had their share of nazi-related business (IBM, e.g.), but no amount of whataboutism will save you from the simple fact that soviets entered the war as active allies of nazi germany.

You wrote above that Soviet Union was helping the nazis before 22 june 1945. I just told you that those who really helped to build the nazi war machine, were you (the american and other capitalists), and not the Soviet Union. Also the motives were quite clear, to "fight the judeo bolshevism".

I am not denying the existence of Molotov Ribbentrop pact, only the emphasis western propaganda puts on it (for obvious reasons) is misleading, and deliberately does not take into account parts of the historical context.

> I just told you that those who really helped to build the nazi war machine, were you (the american and other capitalists), and not the Soviet Union.

Oh, this is not a point of blaming and finger pointing, looking for excuses why the communists are not to blame(are they ever?). It is to illustrate the very simple fact that the soviet union was an imperialist, expansive and warmongering state and one of the direct initiators of WWII - contrary to the usual soviet-russian victim narrative. Not that we would not know it in the retrospective looking at the soviet occupation of half of europe.

Half of Europe is nothing compared to what the US owns (de facto) now or what the British empire had. And they are (were) imperialist, expansive, and war mongering. Actually Soviet Union, compared to them, is an amateur.

As to who started the war, the basic fact is that the nazis attacked Soviet Union on 22 june 1941, that it was an immense tragedy, and that saying that the victim was the aggressor is a very unjust and evil thing to say.

You forget that the Soviet Union's sphere of influence was a lot more than just half of Europe.

For the families who left, there is gratitude every day that the Soviet Union lacked the power to control more than it did - certainly not for lack of will.

The fact that Germany was some days earlier to start the planned attack on the other, didn't change that the plans were mutually. This was known by western leaders, which is why the support for the UdSSR was controversial. For example it lead to Churchill concluding that "we slaughtered the wrong pig.".

> The fact that you cannot even see how ridiculuous this piece of propaganda is, says also about your ability to reason.

TBH, i don't believe he/she does not have the ability to reason, i think that HN has become a main place for state propaganda. Almost a third of articles are either bashing of US adversaries or "exploded but success, terrahertz transistor, could, may be, etc". The next third are AI propaganda.

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