>On August 24, 2021, then-Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin issued a memorandum requiring all U.S. armed forces members to get the COVID-19 vaccine. This policy, which was supported by then-President Joe Biden, led to the discharge of thousands of service members who refused the vaccine.
>It's important to note that a dishonorable discharge is a specific type of punishment that can only be issued after a court-martial for serious offenses. While some sources claimed that the Biden administration ordered dishonorable discharges for those who refused the vaccine, this was not the case. The President does not have the authority to issue such an order, and the military services themselves handled disciplinary actions.
>The military's COVID-19 vaccine mandate was rescinded in January 2023 after Congress passed the National Defense Authorization Act, which directed the Department of Defense to end the mandate.
* CDC was forcing everyone to get the vaccine
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* Biden failed to force everyone to get the vaccine
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* The DOD added COVID-19 vaccines to the Joint Regulation on Immunization and Chemoprophylaxis for the Prevention of Infectious (which already included several mandatory vaccines including for influenza) after the FDA had approved the Pfizer vaccine, mandating military personnel to get the vaccine until 2023.
Very interesting that once you unpack an anti-vaxxers alarmist arguments, you're left with a completely different understanding of reality with nuance and all.
>Very interesting that once you unpack an anti-vaxxers alarmist arguments, you're left with a completely different understanding of reality with nuance and all.
Very interesting that you cannot comprehend the nuance of someone like me who supports reasonable voluntary use of proven safe and effective vaccines, who opposes forcing proven ineffective and experimental vaccine technology on the entire public without reservation, under threat of exile from society. I'm not taking bullshit from big pharma or government so that must make me an anti-vax simpleton, eh? Gtfo
> I'm not taking bullshit from big pharma or government so that must make me an anti-vax simpleton, eh? Gtfo
Yes, it is quite clear.
The first bullet was from your now-deleted/flagged comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45048014
The second bullet was from your second comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45056521
And then you moved your goalposts further here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45072189
By the way, if the vaccine worked, then the people who got it wouldn't have to worry about the people who didn't, right? In fact it is completely opposite. The unvaccinated could get the virus from the vaccinated, who were told (at first) that they were immunized and did not have to take precautions anymore. The whole situation was insulting to our intelligence and a severe attack on our basic human rights. Don't give me some bullshit convoluted argument about potentially improved outcomes for people getting the vaccine. That never was good enough reason to force anyone to get a vaccine, especially under threat of being denied healthcare or employment.
I must give the establishment credit. They indoctrinated everyone very well, to the point that even 5 years later many still haven't recognized how badly covid was handled. They even got the ignorant feeling uppity about thinking everyone who is against the way it was handled is anti-vax. I got the stupid vaccine. I stopped getting boosters (like most normal people) when it became clear that the vaccine wasn't working and the virus had mutated to be more harmless than ever. I never got the virus even once but everyone I know who got double boosted and so on did get it, even multiple times (unless they were skipping work).
> Don't give me some bullshit convoluted argument about potentially improved outcomes for people getting the vaccine.
Ah there it is. See, it doesn't matter what numbers or sources I cite to you because it'll all just be bullshit in your eyes. You've already made up your mind and nothing can convince you otherwise.
> I stopped getting boosters (like most normal people) when it became clear that the vaccine wasn't working and the virus had mutated to be more harmless than ever. I never got the virus even once but everyone I know who got double boosted and so on did get it, even multiple times (unless they were skipping work).
This is Facebook uncle-posting tier.
It's not at all incorrect. But you are clearly programmed very well. If I prove it to you, you will "yes, but" me to death. No thanks.
>Ah there it is. See, it doesn't matter what numbers or sources I cite to you because it'll all just be bullshit in your eyes. You've already made up your mind and nothing can convince you otherwise.
No, it is not that NO amount of evidence would convince me. It is that the arguments put forth by the mainstream are weak, indirect, and illogical. You seem to know that already, because you aren't even trying. I could be charitable and say this is just a difference of opinion, and maybe the vaccine did help some people. That is still far from a compelling reason to FORCE anyone to get it. Trust me, if COVID was actually bad and the vaccine was actually effective, you'd have been more afraid of other people trying to get the vaccine than you would be of the disease. A lot of people didn't want or need the so-called vaccine because they knew that it didn't work (well enough), and it had risks (in general, or for them), and that being forced to get a vaccine is a major civil rights violation.
>This is Facebook uncle-posting tier.
I think telling you what tier your comments hit would get me banned on here.
Who are the mainstream?
Can you give me a reputable source that you think I should trust over the NIH/NCBI/CDC?