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The real "genie is not going back in the bottle" moment is that both sides have decided that power - at any cost - is a valid strategy.

And that's very apparent even in this article which leads with the logical fallacy of moral equivalence

". . . and America’s preeminent real estate fraudster who bankrupted six rigged businesses is all of a sudden concerned with supposed mortgage fraud"

BOTH are guilty, BOTH are crooked!

This directly leads to a lot of "the whole system is broken, may as well get mine"

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Maybe both are guilty. One is guilty and trying to remove the other from office because of the other's guilt, though.

That is, maybe both are guilty. Maybe both should be removed from office. But Trump's guilt (actual convictions, in fact) leave him no room for saying that someone should be removed from office on the basis of mere accusations.

This boths sides stuff is such bullshit, we have armed goons disappearing people on the streets, there's only one side doing this. There were no armed goons disappearing people in the streets last year, it is very clear that both sides are not the same.

>This boths sides stuff is such bullshit, we have armed goons disappearing people on the streets,

When people used to say "disappearing people off the streets", they were trying to paint a picture out of Orwell's 1984, where the secret police not only drag someone off never to be seen again, but no one can or will acknowledge that they were ever born in the first place.

When people today say "disappearing people off the streets", they mean illegal aliens are being detained to be deported to their home countries, but not actually deported because it takes forever for the court cases to slowly roll onward. But these same people also confused and hysterical why only rabid Democrats are alarmed by this.

> When people used to say "disappearing people off the streets", they were trying to paint a picture out of Orwell's 1984, where the secret police not only drag someone off never to be seen again, but no one can or will acknowledge that they were ever born in the first place.

I don't know which people you are talking about who did that, but people I’ve seen doing it were more likely to be implicitly (or, fairly often, explicitly) referencing historical real-world authoritarianism like Pinochet’s Chile, not dystopian fiction like 1984, when they talked about governments disappearing people off the streets.

Though common to all three (authoritarian history, dystopian fiction, and the present American regime) is concealment of the fact of detention, the location of the detained, and sometimes the fact of the detained’s death

>but people I’ve seen doing it were more likely to be implicitly (or, fairly often, explicitly) referencing historical real-world

Covered by my short phrase "out of".

>Though common to all three (authoritarian history, dystopian fiction, and the present American regime) is concealment of the fact of detention,

Yes, which is why only you and I can talk about it. No one else here even knows about the detentions, since they're so concealed. Have you not noticed that not only are they not concealed, but that the detention centers get honest-to-god marketing names ("Alligator Alcatraz")?

Go to Los Angeles, and see all the missing posters hanging around everywhere. It's haunting. Many of them are legal residents and not criminals. I know of a neighbor that has been missing for over a month with no word, and was a green card holder. It seems like your sources are pretty biased and unaware of what is actually going on. You can be faulted for that, I guess, despite the ample video evidence to the contrary, but not really for the arrogance of this comment.

>It seems like your sources are pretty biased

But your anecdotes aren't biased.

What does this even mean? I’ve one single anecdote in the post you’re responding to, and the rest you’ve ignored. There’s plenty of media coverage on this same topic if you care to verify. Facts aren’t biased, but that’s not really what we’re talking about here, is it?

> they mean illegal aliens are being detained to be deported to their home countries

Are you sure about this? Didn't the Supreme Court recently decide these people can be sent to a third-party nation? [1]

> When people used to say "disappearing people off the streets"

Disappearing happens in real life, not just in "1984". It doesn't mean everyone pretends the person never existed, just that their current status and location is completely unknown. This kind of "not knowing" seems really common with the current administration, with lawyers mentioning being unable to find or talk to their clients. [2]

> but that the detention centers get honest-to-god marketing names ("Alligator Alcatraz")

Just because you know of a detention location ("Alligator Alcatraz") does not mean you know who is there and for what reasons. Without that transparency, bad shit can get ignored or swept under the rug.

[1] https://www.npr.org/2025/06/23/g-s1-71529/supreme-court-sout...

[2] https://www.msnbc.com/ana-cabrera-reports/watch/judge-orders...

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