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After the drama, I stopped checking the progress on the language. I think at this point I may stick to C3 only and probably contribute, since it may be the only language that aims to solely improve on C. Odin seemed fine, too, but it seems like it is growing out of the promises of "C replacement". Zig definitely outgrew it a long time ago.

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In what way has Zig outgrown the promise of "C replacement"? (Not meant argumentatively. I'm just starting to learn Zig and am curious to know.)

I cannot get into specifics right now (should sleep soon), but Zig code is not as simple as C is, I would say. If you are fine with it, then you should be OK. All the "@..." stuff on top, it is kinda meh to me. Zig does not make me want to replace C with it.

Drama?

Everytime this is posted someone says it's a vaporware and/or a scam. I've never looked into it myself so i don't know.

A lot of the false accusations and other dirty tactics link back to competitors and bad actors. In many circumstances, people are not getting a balanced view of the situation. Many people use and love V. That's why it has nearly 37,000 stars, over 2,000 forks, and 791 contributors.

What's sad, is how the V community and fans are unrelentingly attacked and blanked by rivals. Where from their side, many are just trying to enjoy or develop the language.

I'm not who you were asking, but my only experiences with vlang was years ago when its marketing was making false claims about what its capabilities were, while pretending to be an already production-ready language. This in turn harbored tons of distrust about any of its promises of future capabilities too.

At this point, I don't think it matters if the V programming language has actually fixed all of those issues and its marketing is completely truthful now. The language's perception is tainted, and it'll take a herculean effort to fix that.

Can you please link to V claiming to be production ready?

This sort of stuff: https://justinas.org/the-bizarre-world-of-v

That isn't a real reviewer, but a person that had a clear grudge and who was engaged in hostilities against the V community. The persons involved in those series of blog attacks don't review other programming languages, usually have a history of continual hostilities, and are specifically targeting V.

Things are also being purposely distorted. Because we can easily check that competing languages have thousands of open issues. Zig, for example, has over 3,000 issues and 3X more than V. Anybody can take several open issues from any language, then pretend the sky is falling, even though the language is still in alpha or beta.

Real reviewers, have reviewed multiple other languages and are widely known for doing so. Below are examples of fair and real reviewers:

[1] Is V Lang Better Than Go And Rust? Let's Find Out

(Anthony GG - Go programmer that likes V)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puy77WfM1Tg

[2] V - Best Programming Language to Learn in 2023?

(Code to the Moon - reviewed multiple languages)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr1EBaLkjfc

[3] First Impression - V programming language

(Mike Shah (PhD) D programmer that likes V)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmVKerNY-fQ

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