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GrapheneOS developers are free to set their bar wherever they like it. It's an independent, non-profit foundation, driven by community contributions. They provide a web-based, hands-free installer. They offer their work for free, and owe nothing to anyone.

Personally, I wish there was an open/libre device on the market that GrapheneOS could target.

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> Personally, I wish there was an open/libre device on the market that GrapheneOS could target.

You mean, Pinephone and Librem 5?

Let's start with HW secure element and boot chain verification (IMHO the minimum bar that's met by e.g. a 2013 Thinkpad), then work thru the rest of GrapheneOS' checklist.

Also: Android. If I didn't need Android/iOS apps, I'd be using a Nokia 3210.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45101400

> Also: Android

Waydroid can run Android apps.

> Waydroid can run Android apps.

Waydroid has a very outdated fork of Android with the privacy/security model largely disabled. It has poor Android app compatibility. The apps are no longer isolated from each other and the kernel is far less protected from them.

Both of these are closed source hardware with closed source firmware. Neither is an open hardware device. They're extremely far from meeting the official requirements for GrapheneOS. It would not be GrapheneOS with massive portions of the core feature set not provided on top of outdated hardware components and firmware without important updates available. The requirements for GrapheneOS support are listed at https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices.

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