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The concern here is (1).

ICE officers have no badges. They wear masks. Sometimes they have no uniforms. They grab people off the streets, and stuff them into white vans. They may send those people to foreign prisons, even if a judge tells them not to. Some of the people they take are natural-born citizens.

Taking them to court works sometimes. But ICE will often attempt to move people out of state quickly, and they won't always say where those people went. And as I mentioned above, the administration has just straight-up ignored multiple court orders.

Courts are a cute legal fiction that only works if the people with guns agree to listen to them.

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Tangent but: I am shocked none of these guys have been gunned down yet.

Where I live, which is the suburbs in Ohio and only mildly gun happy by US standards, I’d estimate that if you went house to house busting in doors with masks and no ID you’d make it less than ten houses before you’d get a face full of buck shot.

Some of the border states where they’re doing this like Texas and Arizona I’d say no more than three houses.

ICE blew up a family's door with explosives, geared like tacticool nerds equipped to capture Bin Laden because one guy blocked them with his van.

The whole point of this was to show the consequences of not complying with the brownshirts. Shoot one of them down, you might well discover they have the budget to buy F35s now.

>Some of the border states where they’re doing this like Texas and Arizona I’d say no more than three houses.

Great news: they've been doing this to thousands of houses in the very states you mention. Just not the white ones.

Only whites have guns?

Of course I would guess that undocumented immigrants are less likely to have guns since they tend to avoid anything that could get them in trouble. I lived in SoCal for a while and had several neighbors who I suspect were but of course never asked.

BTW they were the nicest people. One of their daughters taught our oldest daughter to ride a bike.

The scapegoating and persecution of these people is gross. If we don’t want them here we should go after the employers who create the incentive for them to come, but that would mean going after white people.

White citizen gun owners get arrested and incarcerated on a regular basis by regular law enforcement instead of dying in shootouts too.

I think the reality is when ICE knock on your door (i) you're probably not holding your gun if you have one and (ii) as bad as being in a cage detained by masked thugs and deported (possibly even if you're a citizen) is, being shot dead by them isn't necessarily a better fate, particularly not if you suspect they would take great pleasure in "defending themselves" against your unarmed wife and children if given a half a reason

As a non American, I'm surprised that the country with more guns than people hasn't shot yet somebody that might be as well be a masked thief who's trying to kidnap you

Christopher Dorner did something like that. Then the police started just wildly spraying bullets into any truck that even vaguely matched his. They even started shooting unrelated people delivering newspapers.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/us/christopher-dorner-manhunt...

"Eight Los Angeles police officers who collectively fired 107 shots at two women delivering newspapers in a truck that police had mistaken for one belonging to renegade ex-cop Christopher Dorner will not face criminal charges, the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office said Wednesday. "

Wow

> As a non American, I'm surprised that the country with more guns than people hasn't shot yet somebody that might be as well be a masked thief who's trying to kidnap you

https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/men-impersonating-po...

In places with guns they're not busting doors down, they're black bagging people on their way out of routine courtroom proceedings.

A big part of the problem here is foundational - that Stephen Miller, Donald Trump, and even Joe Biden deny that the asylum process is a human right or a legitimate mandatory administrative process. These people are often somewhere in the legal, well-documented asylum process after entering from Mexico and walking into an immigration office immediately, they're checking in with a parole process on a regular basis, and Miller/ICE terms them "Undocumented" or "Illegal" and deports them to South Sudan.

The courts have not deigned to stop them.

This is the exact tyranny that the second amendment supposedly prevents.

The US has an insanely high level of violent rhetoric compared to the low amount of targeted political violence that actually happens. Only very occasional events like Jan 6th break the barrier. And a senator got shot. Some sort of escalation feels inevitable?

(I'm excluding mass shootings as "non-targeted but often political violence")

Our current president was shot (apparently?) just last summer. You’re not entirely correct.

> may send those people to foreign prisons

even if they don't get sent to a foreign prison, they are sending them to prisons in other states, making it extremely difficult for their families to help them get due process

It would be a very smart move for every criminal gang to pretend to be ICE right now.

"Tren de Aragua? MS-13? What are you talking about? I work for ICE. No, you can't see my badge."

I know what you mean, but anyone pretending to be ICE is already part of a criminal gang.

If randos do it https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/28/civilians-im... it's likely criminals are doing it too already.

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