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There's no way of supporting Israel without supporting this current genocide. Literally no way. Because this current genocide is the logical outcome of what Israel is. And was explained as such, in detail, by David Ben Gurion and Golda Mier. Decades ago.

Albert Einstein added his name to a famous letter to the NY Times in the late 40's, in which EXACTLY THIS was explained, in plain & uncompromising language, in the very first paragraph. For Israel to exist, it would have to be just like the Nazis. That's LITERALLY what that letter said.

The splitting of a non-existing hair argument that you're trying to do is just to avoid admitting that you've been wrong the entire time, and enough people warned (or boasted) about it from the very beginning that you really don't have an excuse for being this wrong.

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The moral position then for those who oppose it, is to allow those who wish to leave Gaza into countries that support the Palestinian people. Ireland and Spain come to mind, Qatar as well could take it thousands, they have the money.

The moral position is to do what South Africa did, end apartheid.

it seems disingenuous to frame it as allowing "those who wish to leave Gaza" without discussing the factors that would make a person "wish to leave."

The reasons can be many. But if you believe that a genocide is indeed taking place and leaving Gaza saves lives, it’s a reasonable Path to help is to accept the refugees.

Europe accepted millions of Ukrainian refugees to keep them out of harms way, why do they not extend the same helping hand to Palestinians from Gaza? who are, at least according to this UN report, in much worse condition?

But if you did that 95% of the anti israel propoganda machine would fall apart. You can't evacuate them or let them settle elsewhere because that's exactly what israel wants.

My idea is to buy the gaza strip from the residents and they can take their newfound wealth to another arab country and be prosperous happy and peaceful there.

But yeah, the fact that no one is taking them in proves they are all a bunch of anti semites or virtue signallers. They don't care about palestinians, it's just politically convenient to pretend that they do.

Humans are clearly an extremely irrational species.

It would be far less costly to give each family in Gaza $100k and a plane ticket than to continue this humanitarian disaster.

Forced displacement is a crime against humanity.

No argument. if the option is between near certain death due to bombardment or starvation and living in Brazil or ireland. I imagine most will take that choice, if of course it was given.

Bombarding people or starving people to force them to leave is forced displacement, and so is a crime against humanity. The solution here is for the party committing the crimes to stop, not for the victims to give their land to the criminal party.

But they are not stopping are they?

If you don’t have the capacity to stop it but you do have the capacity to offer them a home shouldn’t you ?

Or is it the moral equivalent to the American “thoughts and prayers “?

It’s similar to the Ukrainian Russian meat grinder. The support is only extended enough for this to continue on forever

> But they are not stopping are they?

Nor is available power and leverage being brought to bear on stopping them. Any honest attempt at helping innocents being traumatized would start there.

Then yes, facilitating voluntary movement after that would help, without also blatantly facilitating those who want to drive them out.

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