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They were also active participants in prism...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

What they actually do is a moderate effort to keep app developers from accessing user data. Which is definitely good!

Though the reason for this likely more about keeping the customer relationship with apple then actually protecting the privacy of users, but it's a nicely marketable side effect - and that's definitely a good thing for the users, too!

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Anybody who was anybody back then was an active participant in PRISM. There are no good guys and bad guys when it comes to that. There are businesses that get to keep doing business by doing what the government tells them to do, there are ones that shut down (Lavabit), and there are ones that don't have enough going on to be on the radar for a project like PRISM.

I think that just makes them all bad guys? Just because everybody was doing it doesn't make it ok, let alone when it's something as bad as prism.

When China does that they're the bad guys. When the US does that there are no good guys or bad guys.

This is like saying there are no good guys or bad guys in the mafia, because the good guys all got taken out early on.

What you are then left with are bad guys.

Also, Qwest Communications.

But at the end of the day, you gotta be able to sleep with yourself and I have no idea what I'd choose if I were a CEO. Everyone lost their jobs. He did wrong outside of PRISM, so it's hard to say. I'm not him and I already don't sleep well at night.

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