I'm not asking for a chat. I'm asking for an example of a genuine discussion on the aforementioned topic. It's unclear while, being clearly unable to provide one, you don't seem to acknowledge that.
Based on your responses I have concluded that your original comment about bad faith was a projection. I'd love to learn more about what caused you to be this way. Whether you intend to or not, your comments constitute trolling and ultimately lower the quality of HN.