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I appreciate your response, and I fully understand the realistic angle that you have provided.

But I have to clarify that I am not calling pg immoral. I am suggesting the essay could be. People outside the game industry may not get the Zynga problem, but you can also look at, say, Groupon's controversies. "Immoral" could indeed be too strong a word, but I believe few will disagree that aggressive growth strategies has some inevitable side effects, and for this no amount of footnotes is sufficient.

But again, call me naive, "people like Paul Graham and CEOs of startups" should, contrary to what you claim, should care MORE about these problems, because they can certainly afford to, and when they do, it will matter. :)

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OK... well I think your point is that PG's essay is "amoral", which is true. It doesn't say anything about whether hyper-growth is a thing we should value (as human beings, not as money making machines).

Actually ALL his essays are amoral. PG is very precise. He doesn't advocate specific things; he lays out a set of deductions. You will come to the same conclusions IF you have the values he supposes. IF you value this, then you should believe that. Which is a true statement regardless of what you believe.

My point is that amoral != immoral. But I think you are saying they're the same -- that all decisions must have a moral component or they are immoral.

I agree that hyper aggressive growth doesn't always produce the kinds of companies that society "should" want... but sometimes it does! It's probably impossible to separate the two, not least because everyone has different opinions on what's valuable.

You're reading too much of your own POV into another person.

Compare this essay with a random earlier one I selected (I just scrolled down and clicked a title that would seem ripe to disprove you)

http://paulgraham.com/opensource.html

Morality is rife within it, justice, monopolies, boss-employee relations.

He may have changed but all of his essays aren't amoral.

I don't read that essay as having much morality. I think YOU are reading your POV into it.

There is an assumption that a monopoly by MS would be dangerous. That's not a particularly judgmental stance. I could imagine someone having a different belief system about monopolies, but it hardly seems like a moral claim.

Then he is saying that he prefers to work with an economic partner rather than under the employer-employee system. He doesn't say it is morally right. He says that business can learn from this, because it would make the business more productive. That's an amoral argument. He's invoking economics to justify a way that people should interact.

It's basically a libertarian argument, and in general this type of argument is agnostic about morals.

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