Years ago, as a programmer, I would say I didn't HATE our salesmen (we had no saleswomen), but I was definitely not IMPRESSED with them, because they would say anything, even lie. I remember our company had an open house for employee families, during which our lone minicomputer was programmed to make the reel-to-reel backup tape move back and forth just to have it doing something. When our top salesman brought his family around to show off our computer room, he just made up and announced some BS story about that moving tape, and his story had no relation to any past, present, or future truth. I immediately thought "God knows what he claims when talking to our customers".