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Given the limited data we have so far, it's undisputable that self-driving technologies that have been deployed commercially are dramatically safer than human driving. It will take a lot more data to know exactly how true this is, but in the meantime, 120 people die per day on average in the US due to traffic accidents.

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> it's undisputable that self-driving technologies that have been deployed commercially are dramatically safer than human driving

This is really only true for Waymo, who appear to be the only folks operating at scale who did the work properly. Robotaxi, Cruise and all the others are in a separate bucket and should be statistically separated.

It's also true of Apollo in China (which has about as many miles logged as Waymo), and presumably, the limited operations of Zoox. I specifically referenced commercial operations.

The same Waymo that sues the DMV to keep their accidents secret?

No they don't, that is Tesla.

Undisputable? Let's see what happens with the average "accidents per km" these firms keep touting once we let a bunch of self-driving cars drive on the ring around Paris or Antwerp.

So your only dispute is that you have no dispute, only the idea that things might change in the future, and some hypothetical dispute could emerge. Got it.

Seriously? You are claiming something is "undisputable" without citing any source or making any attempt at all to explain why that would be. I guess we really do live in a "post truth world" with people like you.

Why would that be different from anywhere else? Highway driving is easier than city driving since it's more predictable.

So you're ok with getting run over by a machine? You must be seeing this: https://x.com/goodpotatoes/status/1984284314734043453 as absolute barbarity, no?

Very bleak and very tech-bro-coded, no wonder that regular people have started seeing us like pariah, we deserve it.

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