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Yea, GP sounds like they want to drag "EU Bad" into this discussion.

I fail to see how this EU regulation promotes releasing software Closed Source and demotes releasing it Open Source.

> (c) security updates or corrective updates mentioned under point (a) need to be available to the user at the latest 4 months after the public release of the source code of an update of the underlying operating system or, if the source code is not publicly released, after an update of the same operating system is released by the operating system provider or on any other product of the same brand;

> (d) functionality updates mentioned under point (a) need to be available to the user at the latest 6 months after the public release of the source code of an update of the underlying operating system or, if the source code is not publicly released, after an update of the same operating system is released by the operating system provider or on any other product of the same brand;

So if Google releases an update for Pixel, the 'clock' starts ticking from that date, otherwise, it goes by when the source code is released. Google can pick and choose what works best for them and their partners according to these rules.

Hence why delaying the source code may be preferable. This is why security patches are being delayed as per GrapheneOS (under embargo)

For example: Google releases Android 20, under embargo to all OEMS, this is not released on Pixel, is entirely closed source (hence why AOSP is now private) and therefore doesn't trigger the law. Android 20 could be ready for months, but until it's released on Pixel or open source, those clauses are not triggered. This is already happening to security patches, see my comment above.

So EU mandates that security updates in either source OR binary form must hit all users in at most 4 months after they are first published, therefore Google started delaying releasing source code and will start delaying it even more?

A more correct expectation would be that now Google will start delaying all security updates (both binary and source) until all their important downstream vendors are able to release in time.

Even that is doubtful, as Google would have to take the reputational damage for an ongoing exploitation of a security issue.

The functional updates though might get slowed down.

See my comment [1]. This is already happening with security patches and GrapheneOS has already commented on their socials about the situation.

It's quite bad as security patches used to take around a month, now it's around 4 months and the patches are being leaked to threat actors who can exploit the bugs until the patches are released.

Example: A patch is fixed on September 1st, released under embargo/closed source to all OEMs. Pixel issues the patch in December 1st publicly (either source code/software update), they now have until April 1st (4 months) to release it according to the law. So the patch is 7 months old before it has to be released according to the law.

All the march 2026 updates are done, now, today, and ready/waiting, but they are not released by Pixel/open source. Once that happens the timer will begin.

This EU law has made security far worse.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45914692

> This EU law has made security far worse.

I don't get it. Why not release it now and start the timer now? Shitty OEMs would get in trouble (not Google) and that would be a fantastic outcome. Am I missing something?

Because shitty OEMs pay Google a lot of money to put Google Mobile Services on their shitty phones and it’s bad to piss off your customers (note: you are not a Google customer if you use Android).

> This EU law has made security far worse.

Stop blaming the EU. They didn't make security worse. It's Google and the other manufacturers who decided to respond to this law by using a loophole that made security far worse.

Before the EU law, Android would release monthly bulletins, and patches would take about a month before being released on Pixel devices, once known as 'best in class' security. GrapheneOS have themselves admitted this has changed from 1 month to 4. This has been done to comply with this new EU law.

Now, we have patches already for March 2026 in November 2025. Once the March 2025 patches are shipped by Google, OEMs have 4 months for all OEMs to ship it (deadline being July 2026).

Consider this scenario:

Patch for bug lands January 2026. Google decides to either release a Pixel OS update or release the source code in 8 months time containing this patch for whatever reason. Then a 4 month timer starts for all OEMs to ship that patch. Meaning a patch that has existed from January 2026 can now be shipped by January 2027 under this system and fully comply with the law. This patch may be under active exploit as OEMs have leaked it which again, GrapheneOS have admitted is happening.

Previously, patches would be landing within the month. All google must do is ensure this patch is not included in any pixel OS update or public source code release.

Yes, Google is responsible, but when the EU touts laws as fining 4% of global turnover (in the case of GDPR), then they are going to be taken seriously, which means OEMs demanding Google not release the update for Pixel/source code until they are ready and use this loophole as they are doing.

The loser is ultimately the end user who has a weaker more exploitable device for months.

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