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This is really cool. I tried to prompt gemini but every time I got the same picture. I do not know how to share a session (like it is possible with Chatgpt) but the prompts were

If a clock had 13 hours, what would be the angle between two of these 13 hours?

Generate an image of such a clock

No, I want the clock to have 13 distinct hours, with the angle between them as you calculated above

This is the same image. There need to be 13 hour marks around the dial, evenly spaced

... And its last answer was

You are absolutely right, my apologies. It seems I made an error and generated the same image again. I will correct that immediately.

Here is an image of a clock face with 13 distinct hour marks, evenly spaced around the dial, reflecting the angle we calculated.

And the very same clock, with 12 hours, and a 13th above the 12...

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This is probably my biggest problem with AI tools, having played around with them more lately.

"You're absolutely right! I made a mistake. I have now comprehensively solved this problem. Here is the corrected output: [totally incorrect output]."

None of them ever seem to have the ability to say "I cannot seem to do this" or "I am uncertain if this is correct, confidence level 25%" The only time they will give up or refuse to do something is when they are deliberately programmed to censor for often dubious "AI safety" reasons. All other times, they come back again and again with extreme confidence as they totally produce garbage output.

I agree, I see the same even in simple code where they will bend backwards apologizing and generate very similar crap.

It is like they are sometimes stuck in a local energetic minimum and will just wobble around various similar (and incorrect) answers.

What was annoying in my attempt above is that the picture was identical for every attempt

These tools 'attitude' reminds me of an eager, but incompetent intern or a poorly trained administrative assistant, who works for a powerful CEO. All sycophancy, confidence and positive energy, but not really getting much done.

The issue is the they always say "Here's the final, correct answer" before they've written the answer, so of course the LLM has no idea if it's going to be right before it starts, because it has no clue what it's going to say.

I wonder how it would do if instead it were told "Do not tell me at the start that the solution is going to be correct. Instead, tell me the solution, and at the end tell me if you think it's correct or not."

I have found that on certain logic puzzles that it simply cannot get right, it always tells me that it's going to get it quite "this last time," but if asked later it always recognizes its errors.

Gemini specifically is actually kinda notorious for giving up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/artificial/comments/1mp5mks/this_is...

you can click the share icon (the two-way branch icon, it doesn't look like apple's share icon) under the image it generates to share the conversation.

i'm curious if the clock image it was giving you was the same one it was giving me

https://gemini.google.com/share/780db71cfb73

Thanks for the tip about sharing!

No, my clock was an old style one, to be put on a shelf. But at least it had a "13" proudly right above the "12" :)

This reminds me my kids when they were in kindergarden and were bringing home their art that needed extra explanation to realize what it was. But they were very proud!

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