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I think it also depends on the community as well. Last time I touched Node.js and Javascript-related things, every time I tried to update something, it practically guaranteed something would explode for no reason.

While my recent legacy Java project migration from JDK 8 -> 21 & a ton of dependency upgrades has been a pretty smooth experience so far.

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Yeah, along with any community's attitudes to risk and quality, there is also a varying, er, chronological component.

I'd prefer to upgrade around the time most of the nasty surprises have already been discovered by somebody else, preferably with workarounds developed.

At the same time, you don't want to be so far back that upgrading uncovers novel migration problems, or issues that nobody else cares about anymore.

Yeah, the JavaScript/Node.js ecosystem is pain. Lots of tooling (ORMs, queue/workflow frameworks, templating) is new-ish or quickly changing. I've also had minor updates cause breakages; semver is best-effort at best.

I don't like Java but sometimes I envy their ecosystem.

There is a reason most of stable companies use Java - stability. Outside of startups and SV, there are few reasons to avoid such a robust system.

Plus you can find endless stream of experienced devs for it. Which are more stable job wise than those who come & go every 6-12 months. Stability. Top management barely cares for anything else from IT.

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