What?
And the argument for supporting Ukraine is not to punish anyone. It’s to avoid rewarding (and thus normalizing) aggression and the violation of territorial integrity, a core principle on which the UN is founded.
The main concept in 20th century post-ww2 international relations was the prohibition of aggression to take land. Ending 19th century concepts like “spheres of influence “ that grant “great powers” the right to change borders by force.
A very tenuous position to maintain, given the extreme violations of territorial integrity enacted by other members of the UN's security council.
The world is very complex and things are rarely perfect. We make incremental progress aiming for ideals, but still dealing with the world as it is.
>but my ww1!
Its the 21st Century, we are decades removed from that era.
Again you don't understand what you talking about. There are no negotiations. At all. There is only a proposition for Ukraine to capitulate to Russia: the reduction of the Ukrainian army by more than half, the near-legal recognition of the captured territories as Russian, and so on.
Such is the nature of business, and war is the dirtiest business of them all.