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China will eventually open its borders to mass immigration

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It is true their demographics look a bit dicey long term, but it's a funny time to post this now as China is currently struggling with a youth unemployment problem

Very doubtful and unlikely. China, like the other East Asia countries, is very serious about preserving its culture and they see the cautionary tale that Europe has become. Not sure how much the author knows about China and the Chinese.

Even just starting by making a comparison to the UK to extrapolate how many immigrants China could absorb strikes me as odd: The Chinese are actually horrified by the result of mass immigration in Europe and the UK. Mass immigration as obviously good and inevitable is a purely Western "dogma" and in fact the Chinese even have an expression for this left-of-centre ideology in the West: 白左, which means "white left" [1]. The Wikipedia page has a strangely orientated description but it is true that it is quite widespread among Chinese who live or have travelled extensively overseas.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo

You just have to see how they’ve handled Xinjiang to know how they feel about this matter.

I’ve been to Urumqi and Beijiang before, what do you mean?

Very interesting, so to speak, but fairly typical, to see my previous comment quickly downvoted. Perhaps that's a QED on how the topic is dogma beyond critical discussion in many circles. Refusing to see issues through different points of views both prevents gaining understanding of others and forces your views on others. I thunk this is partl what happens every time someone predicts that China (or another country) will inevitably do exactly what we have.

Because someone on twitter says so?

Am I missing something here? Is there more to this?

Someone else post this link to view the whole thread. I guess Twitter doesn’t let you do that unless you log in:

https://xcancel.com/samoburja/status/1988128253891277071

What I want to know is who is this person and why would their opinion matter? So I did a cursory search and they appear to to be a sociologist/political scientist and have a website: https://samoburja.com/

They seem to have knowledge but predictions are just that: a guess that is a gamble really.

It's an interesting prediction, but the author goes off the rails in the middle with a self-hating fascist talking point ("Authoritarian governments just want workers; they don't need welfare recipients to vote as instructed."). This casts doubt on the underlying motivation of the analysis, regardless if it was just marketing for what's in vogue or whether he's a true believer.

I don't see any experience or knowledge on China and the Chinese, though. As @mindslight points out the angles in his argument are odd.

I should have written "They seem to have knowledge" as "They appear to be competent in the field of anthropology." I was not implying that they are knowledgeable of the situation they are describing.

As the thread mentions, China recently launched their “K visa” because republicans in America are trying to kill H1B visas. They’re absolutely thrilled to get the talent Americans think they don’t need. The American economy has benefited massively from this program so it’s unfortunate.

Have you been employed continuously for the last 2 years?

Why is that relevant? Why don’t you state the point you’re actually trying to make?

Having worked in China for 9 years on their Z visa, you can totally go work there especially if you have skills. Koreans, Japanese, Indians, you’ll see them in the bigger tech cities. But they aren’t so thrilled about lower skilled immigration…eg what has been going on in Guangzhou with Africans, I don’t expect they will lean into that yet since they still have plenty of poor people to draw from in rural areas.

Sort of: they eventually will liberalize the hukou system more and allow more internal migration. Poor people from jiangxi will finally be able to easily move to cities in Zhejiang or Fujian for a better life.

For labour that can't be automated, probably.

Can we not link to things that are just popups and warnings and whatever? I closed 3 things and didn't see any content yet so I went away ...

https://xcancel.com/samoburja/status/1988128253891277071

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