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I run umbrel in a VM . For non fiat finops stuff.

I also run Cloudron on a VPS.

I wish both of those solutions had more mindshare. They save me so much time and effort. Especially Cloudron!

I looked at Cloudron and I'm not sure why I would choose this over just throwing in Proxmox on a box and start clicking stuff in their 'app store'.

Proxmox = infra. You run ops. Cloudron = platform. Ops is mostly done. Clicking apps is easy. Maintaining them isn’t.

Right, but with helper-scripts "ops is mostly done" on Proxmox too. You just point at them and perhaps follow some instructions and that's it.

Helper scripts automate day 0. Cloudron automates day 2+.

Install ≠ operate